The Gaming Den

We do need to move away from Fossil Fuels for energy.

So we're back to D&D is a shitty system

Check.

Well, remember we're all Fanboys
we're posting on a thread complaining about how CGL kicked our dog, and spat in our coffee.

Clearly we like Shadowrun a bit too much.

I loved the moment where I figured out that was FastJacks daughter.. it was cool. The Old man, and his Otaku Child. Good stuff.

How about.. Don't be a retarted DM? Why are your orcs fighting to the last man? Why, when the 3 toughest guys in their ranks dead, or bleeding out on the floor, are the other 3 bandits not running? You want to simulate realistic morals? Why does every single NPC always fight to the death even agains...

Thermopylae for example
1000-2000 greeks died.
20+ thousand persians died.

That's not really "less lethal"

During the 30 years war, they estimate that around 350,000 were killed in battle. Possibly as many as 600,000 in total out right killed, or who died later on due to wounds received.

And there's no save against a Sword in the gut

Tzor, why are you so dumb? I mean, first of all, there are entire muslim countries where none of those things has ever happened proving that it is possible. Second, there aren't any christian countries at all, there are secular countries that happen to have a majority of christians, or who pay lip ...

Are you telling me that for a high level rogue, climbing a wall should never be 'trivial?

REALLY?

Although, if the dragon needs virgins for something
Are you sure he's using something as blatantly silly as the finger test?

Might he not be using Divining Magic to tell him "Has this person lain with another" Y/N?

Why do you have to give them a hard test at all?

The Rogue goes across making the hard test, carrying a rope, and pulley and some stuff.

The rest of the party comes across easily.

The reason the Technocrats are 'evil' is because they want to not just stamp out bad magic. But they fundementally understand that belief=reality and they want to stamp out any belief that does not mesh with their own.

They are 'Order' taken to it's extreme.

Well first you have to answer the question:

What does the Dragon do if there's no Virgins in the village?
Does he kill everyone? or does he shrug and move on.
Does he have a 'detect Virgin' spell/spell-like-ability?

This damage system feels familiar. Is it a revamp of the SR1/2 damage system?

Except the Developers aren't fanboys. They actually know very little about the actual metaplots, or the links across the product lines. And the product lines are across seperate developers now. Yeah, you don't give a shit about Earthdawn, and I do. And Shadowrun /does/ stand on it's own. Sadly, know...

This is why.. close combat tended to look like.

I fire my preloaded pistol at you, and then anyone still alive I fight with a sword. Or, I'm Captain Jack Sparrow, and I carry 4 pre-loaded pistols on me, at all times.

Uh, you didn't say anything about SR into ED with guns. Fuchs did.

I'm not sure why you're yelling at /me/ I actually agree with you.

Fuchs is the one all like.. "ED sucked, I hate that they're turning it into ED with guns."

Immortal elves, and People eating trees is crap though :) Earthdawn magic returning, could have been handled well. Sadly Fasa had plans for cross over stuff that never materialized before they went out of business, so it's not clear /how/ they wanted to do it. So all we're left with is people who we...

The whole Dragon Ball Z thing makes me want to weep. It's doing ED cross over stuff completely wrong.

Except that in ED there really aren't any untainted areas... not in the sense of in Shadowrun. The background count of 4-6 IS in the untainted areas. That's why they have to use Matrixes. Centering didn't help you with the level of Drain. Yes, it's true that SR is faster (especially given access to ...

Except that Earthdawn's magic is dealing with a negative background count of 5 on average. And possibly going up to 8 or 10 depending on how you view things. I think that if an Earthdawn Mage managed to be in SR's environment, he would be VERY powerful. The Artifact thing.. is more complicated. Afte...

Those are all spirit powers though, (except for Astral Perception) Shadowrun Streetsams are also faster, stronger, and more deadly than in most games. Noone starts as a starting player in Shadowrun. You start as an experienced Badass.. usually. have you looked at the 1-4 circle spell lists in Earthd...

Yeah, maybe you did play Earthdawn.. but you certainly didn't understand it.. or the background. First off, there is no Elves are gods in Earthdawn. And in Earthdawns, we have /several/ Great Dragons getting killed. As for spellcasters. Earthdawn Mages by 3rd circle or so have some very powerful spe...

You do understand it's the other way around right?
And earthdawn is not really a generic fantasy game. There's actually a lot of meat on that bone. And they created that world fromt he "Background and Laws" they had for Shadowrun.

Earthdawn comes out of the background notes for Shadowrun.

Except they're not turning it into ED with guns.. because ED with guns might even be interesting. THey're turning it into D&D with guns, which is.. much less interesting. Your ED hate comes from a pretty serious misunderstanding of the ED setting. And that's okay. The Immortal Elves I was okay w...