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You can beat something with nothing if the something is so dire it acts as an obstacle rather than an assistance. Some of 3e is that bad. The diplomacy rules did chew, but the solution should not have been to muddle up all rules that influenced the behavior of NPCs, such as leadership and NPC wage ...

Bullshit. You could apply that crappy answer to *any* fictional/mythological character you felt like dissing. Unless and until we have a *live action fantasy game,* you can always put something you dislike down to writer's/GM's favoritism. No, seriously. I call it a plot contrivance because it is o...

Actually what your propose is the antithesis of roleplaying. you just want to say, "fuck your world DM, fuck the storyline, I want to play what I want to play, and I'm going to use the rules to do it, not actually have my character do anything in game." Roleplaying isn't about obtaining a...

One wonders why it never occurred to them that, while they were building a new edition almost from scratch, they could have picked a midpoint between the two extremes and balanced all the classes around that point. Because if RC2 is any indication of the target audience for fighters, even the midpo...

I'm talking about the guy who does mundane things. he can't fly, he can't teleport and he's basically just limited to doing pretty basic physical stunts. Maybe he's really strong like Conan or he's very agile like Legolas, but you're not talking about Superman. Okay, sure. So here's a common, but g...

You yourself brought up Batman. Good example; and do you know why? because Batman is one of the very few "superheroes" withiout actual superpowers; and despite this, he routibely beats superowered adversaries, including other superheroes gone rogue. How? Writer's favoritism and luck. It's...

Lets cut the bullshit about 3.5 being so awesome and 4E sucking. If 3.5 was so great, you wouldn't need 100+pages of house rules. If the difference is the choice of eating a day-old hamburger left out on the grill all night and eating a veggie burger that someone dropped on some dog doo. If that's ...

And those are Conan, Aragorn, Legolas and a few others from various other obscure fantasy movies like The Beastmaster. RC2, people have told you several times with clear examples that Conan and Aragon don't comform to the Dumbass Melee Fighter archetypes beyond a superficial level. So I would appre...

4e creates variety by keeping you from spamming your most awesome attack, but variety doesn't necessarily mean options. But then we showed how as levels progress, you're going to more often spend several rounds making the choice between one o two at-wills you're going to spam for the rest of combat...

When I do roleplaying in 4E, it's the same. I'm not sure why people inherently need abilities to roleplay. Because then otherwise the game devolves to you and your buddies wondering how and when you can affect the world and the DM force-feeding you available options when he thinks your characters c...

So reall, the "iconic" core 3.5 party is the Druid, Rogue, Cleric, Wizard party. To use any other classes is a deliberate nerf.

So?

So the biggest impetus for 4E was removing the sword-based class/caster imbalance. And we can see where that ended up. So, I've heard several times on this board is that this is a better edition because the new fighter is better than the old fighter. Which hasn't been proven, but whatever. Let's go ...

3.5E does hand out items and abilities that don't have any immediate use in combat and required actual roleplaying to get the most out of them. They tend to be pretty minor like 'have access to a network of Harpers' or 'the wizard's guild has your back', but they still had them. You can't beat somet...

Then don't play a fucking fighter if they suck so much. I keep telling people this, but people can't bother to listen . People don't have any problem steering clear of the warrior and adept NPC class, why are they so hung up on the fighter? Yeah, I understand that it is a problem if someone else in ...

When did the goal of D&D become "to play a Fighter" anyway? I've seen the argument - several times - that 4E is better because it makes playing a Fighter more interesting. Even if this were true - how the hell would this make 4E a better game? If one or two of the classes are somewhat...

Note that that fails to provide any reason not to always use your best attack within a given category. If your Super Spade Attack is also your most efficient spade attack, then you might use a heart attack because all your remaining points are hearts, but you never use your Medium Spade Attack (you...

That's only true in a system where you hand out charge tokens for relatively weaker attacks. There have been many suggestions made for ways to limit players' really cool abilities other than charge tokens. See, for example, Franks notes on "closing" maneuvers (that I described as "ze...

I'd also like to point out that from now on, a 4E character will have fewer horizons on which to expand than a 3E character did. Here are some hard-coded limitations to classes in 4E: 1) You don't get any fucken class features after level 1 in heroic tier. 2) You get three. Class. Features. Over a p...

But you must see how unfavorable a light this puts 4th edition, right? Of course not. Rather than realizing that you're intentionally using a handicapped example, the rest of the argument is going to proceed as though this is the baseline/min-maxxed example and then pretend that this comparison of ...

OK, so...the part I was missing is just that you don't have any "medium" attacks? No, that was in response to your question. I was saying that in this system there's no point towards intentionally spamming your lowest-level powers in order to get charge tokens. I mean, yes, you are going ...

I'm not seeing any part of this that changes the fact that, at any given level, you're choosing between making lots of medium attacks or making weaker attacks to build up cards for bigger attacks. That part you're missing is that you generally don't use weaker attacks. Powers are intentionally desi...

The Latest And Greatest Attacks, BTW, are intentionally weighted to be a little inefficient so that immediately going for them at the start of combat will put your DPS behind unless you get lucky. You're supposed to accumulate enough cards first so that when you start going for your LAGAs if your fo...

To Manxome: I'm not just talking about a tradeoff between small/medium/large attacks, I'm talking about trading between blue/red/green/yellow attacks. Another annoyingly incoherent example. At the start of a round, you automatically get a card from two categories: Hearts, Clubs, Diamonds, or Spades...

Why are you so stubborn?

Three different people are attacking your perspective from three different angles and you keep saying that because you haven't experienced it, it isn't a problem.

That's extremely infuriating.

Are you fucking kidding me, RC? Potions of enlarge cost 50-250 gold pieces and lasted for up to 5 minutes, depending on how much of an asshole your DM is. Any fighter that had at least 1 round of prep time wolfed those things down like candy--they added anywhere from +2 to +5 extra damage and variou...