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RC. Is Making a Room of torture look like a playpen making something seem like something else? Yes, I assume you're using a figment to somehow superimpose the image of a crib and toys over torture implements and equipment, so yeah. it is. Is making a Room that is 20X20 look like a room that is 20X1...

No, he's seriously not. He wants to use figments to create pits in floor, literally making the fucking floor invisible. Lost Doors : One door per caster level is covered by a silent image to appear as if it were a plain wall. Saving Throw: Will disbelief (if interacted with). Spell Resistance: No. ...

Kaelik is not wrong. He is just using a different interpretation of that rule, as am I. No, he's seriously not. He wants to use figments to create pits in floor, literally making the fucking floor invisible. Even if you allow shells. Pits do not fly under even the loosest of interpretations. He wan...

I rarely use traps anymore. The problem is that healing is so accessible in 3E that a trap has to be pretty much a death trap to do anything that the PCs care about. Further, the more you use traps, the more PCs just start to search and take 20 on every inch of dungeon. A trap dungeon is either brut...

RC: could a figment of a person cup its hands over a pebble on a table, obscuring it completely from vision? Why or why not? Personally I'd say no. Basically how I would handle it is that figments can't occupy the same space as another object, and figments are always considered "solid" fo...

So you agree that the description of the Figment subschool is in error and that the no disguises clause can be safely ignored? You can't have it both ways. Until you present evidence that makes the that clause more concrete than the rest of the description, you must accept both statements or forfei...

This is explicit designer intent. You can totally make a cottage, and you can totally go inside without ruining the illusion (you're still concentrating, so you manipulate the illusion by opening the door as you turn the illusory doorknob), but it won't offer any protection from the elements. I don...

Illusory Wall (Figment) <snip> It appears absolutely real when viewed, but physical objects can pass through it without difficulty . When the spell is used to hide pits, traps, or normal doors, any detection abilities that do not require sight work normally. This is a figment that states explicitly...

Yeah that's a good set of rules PoliteNewb. @Kaelik: You don't disguise rooms, you disguise objects and creatures. As was stated, blocking line of sight with a figment is fine. A room doesn't become disguised by having an orc or an extra wall in it. @Zeezy: An illusory dragon wouldn't have to touch ...

So why don't you just say "a figment collapses if a creature or object moves into it (or vice-versa)" and be done with it? That is at least a clear rule (though contrary to what you said earlier). Like I said, I'm not trying to sell people on my personal rulings for what happens when some...

You can't, that is your problem. You can not present a rule that works the way you claim it does. "Nonsensical" is not used to describe the effect of the spell, it is used to describe your interpretation of the rules. Well we know that figments can't disguise things. That much is in the r...

That is stupid and nonsensical. If a wall can obscure, then an illusory house can too. Therefore a cup or a bell can cap the treasure chest, and we can make this cup/bell be in any shape/colour we want. If you can't create a bell shaped like a treasure chest that rests over other things, then you c...

The rules don't say you can't obscure objects. You can obscure objects by virtue of blocking someone's sight. If it can't obscure and object or intersect with any solid object, then in no case will a figment even touch the floor. You can't disguise a 20' room as a 10' one because your wall can't to...

But no space is truly empty. Don't give me some bullshit "There are air molecules". As far as D&D is concerned, it's empty. I'd also consider aquatic squares to be "empty" as well. Only solid matter can stop it, similar to a summon spell. Why can't I create an empty axe and ...

Now RC, do you agree with me that it is impossible by the rules to cast Silent Image at all? Or am I going to have to start quoting that passage back at you until you admit that by the rules Silent Image never creates an image? No, it's not impossible to cast it. It's just you cannot use it to do s...

You say figments can disguise things, the rules explicitly say they can't. Now if you want to ignore the written rules and get a DM who will let you do that, that's up to you. I seriously don't know what else to say. You've seen the relevant paragraph, nobody has challenged it with anything else in ...

You're in crazy town, RC, stop with the crack smoking. Good to know that following the rules is crack smoking. You're arguing that figments can disguise stuff, the rules explicitly say they cannot. This isn't even a matter of debate. Aside from your gut wanting figments to do that, there is zero ev...

Kaelik wrote: He complained about how it was unfair of me to use Item Familiar and War Beast better than him, and Iajitsu almost as well, because those are Factotum tricks.

Uhh... what?

How is any of that stuff better suited to a factotum to make it a "factotum trick"?

I never liked Diablo 2 for the reason that you could permanently fuck up your character if you assigned your points wrong. Any game like that should have character rebuilding, so you don't totally make your character suck.

Hey look, a treasure chest, let's use silent image to create a tree stump, or a podium, or even a meditating statue over the chest. Even better, create a chest that looks exactly the same except scorched and 1cm larger in every dimension. The example is more obvious with something like cups where y...

The PC can fail these rolls and not get through the gate, but that wouldn't be any different from them failing to climb over the wall or throw-a-rock-distract-the-guards-stealth-sneak through. Do you just arbitrarily decide that the PC can't attempt to climb this wall? No? Why do you think you can ...

RC, you're saying figments can't do anything . Apparently you haven't been reading what I've been saying. I'm saying figments add things to a scene, they don't modify things. You have a stone chamber with a chest and an orc. A figment can: Add two more orcs to the room Block off part of the room wi...

In RC's world, illusions aren't even as cool as mundane costumery? This isn't "RC's world", this is the fucking rules of D&D. Figments don't do that. Seriously, the relevant quote from the rules is "Figments cannot make something seem to be something else. " Yes, figments do...

And now you can't see part of the floor. Either you can block the floor, or you can not. The pit as such does not exist, and the illusion does not extend into the ground. Block yes, but not superimpose. For instance, you can create a section on top of the floor, but you can't create something that ...

Reaction time aside, figments need to be able to disguise stuff if they are to do anything at all. Otherwise you would not be able to make it seem like a door is on fire (disguising parts of the door), like a corridor is blocked (disguising the corridor) or like a pit trap exists in front of the do...