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I'm still trying to figure out how it works where class features are supposed to be better than spells, but spellcasting is a class feature. Why are you trying to work out a strawman. Mearls didn't say that one class feature should trump another class feature. He said one subset of a class feature ...

At this point, the Kickstarter looks more like a way for them to giggle helplessly as money rains down on them hand over fist. On the PDFs and other feelies sure. Wonder how much profit the actual deluxe hardcovers provide per book though. And by them I think you mean him. OPP is like literally one...

I think the main reason that they didn't invite Jon Chung to continue on as a designer was that they didn't want the game to happen entirely in a white room with black curtains . From what they've said, which is basically "you swing at each other until someone gets a higher advantage, then the...

Wow, the last two pages of this thread where terrible. White Wolf's fluff writers are way to try-hard edgy, no need for everyone to lose their minds about it. Wolffuckers gonna gonna fuck wolves. Question: Is this actually going to be a playable game or is it going to be the same unplayable mess th...

...my attempt at derailing? That's a joke right? I was responding to the incorrect postings, nothing more, nothing less. I've already discussed the other stuff as it came up. The only reason this continued was because others kept going despite the fact they were completely wrong. Is this some sort o...

Why isn't it convincing? Hell, why does it need to be convincing? You claim that this is tokenism without actually providing proof that it is. If you're big on "proof", you could start with naming the book where that supposed transgendered society appears in. Note, that neither gender-shi...

So, about that tokenism thing. If you announce that a character is a [minority], but then do absolutely nothing with that information, that is tokenism. That is what tokenism is . So let's go look at how much they actually worked in the supposed transgender nature of the character: Prince Diamond w...

Um, yeah, it fucking is, because opinion, anecdote, and circumstantial evidence are entirely acceptable methods of decided if a product is worth your time or not. But that's not the debate here. The debate here is whether or not this character is a token transgender or not. It's a spin off from the...

By your own admission having something thrown in that's never brought up except as the after thought it is a halmark tokenism. So the fact that it has no impact on the setting, never comes up, and nobody every talks about it is a perfectly good measure of how little the writers actually cared. Ok s...

Who said that the books are trying to promote egalitarianism? Look, if you're doing genuine outreach, you're doing it because of your core ideology of egalitarianism. If you're not, then your entire operation is a sham. And there's strawman #2. Who claimed that Exalted is doing any sort of outreach...

In fact, here's the actual "intro" to the character Prince Diamond was born a woman, but he is a Dereth, which means he is socially and legally considered a man. It may be worthy of noting that Diamond’s mother was not a Delzahn woman.The Delzahn have a custom called far-riding, a quasi-sp...

Okay, I'm making an abductive argument rather than a deductive one here. So like I said earlier, I'm open to a counter-example. However, from what I can see: 1.) White Wolf and Exalted especially is not egalitarian. If nothing else the book shamelessly promotes just world theory and social darwinis...

And I'm waiting to see what actual proof he has to back up his claim that it's tokenism beyond he says so. Exalted has had openly LGBT characters and societies/parts of societies for years, across all editions. There have been lesbian characters, gay characters, bi characters, and pansexual characte...

Why isn't it convincing? Hell, why does it need to be convincing? You claim that this is tokenism without actually providing proof that it is. I'm waiting for you to actually make a claim with backup before attempting to actually do work to refute it. You claim that we suck at arguing when you haven...

You're apparently not understanding what the core criticism behind tokenism, otherwise you wouldn't have used such an inane rhetorical response. Seriously, are you not aware of how extremely lame that post was? Who gives a shit if it's hundreds of thousands or even millions? How about telling us th...

Good old fashioned tokenism. Is there anything you can't do? Aside from being honest that tokenism isn't supposed to convince the out-group, but assuage the feelings of the in-group? :awesome: So how is it tokenism, when you have one member of a society of hundreds or thousands who's a core charact...

Wait, what "issues" did they address? Prince Diamond may well be transgendered, but he is also an exalt who lives above the law and above common people in every possible way. Whether he has a vagina or not is completely unimportant, because society has no category for him and its approval...

Did you seriously just try to compare the price points from multiple products from the same company to attempt to show that the company was charging a price point that was in line with industry standards? Seeing as how you compare the prices of items that come from different manufacturers within th...

They are not charging more than other places charge. Their PoD prices are comparable, their PDF prices are comparable. This, right here, is bullshit. Any proof of your obviously well researched response? WW products compared to others on a retail pdf site. Vampire 20th anniversary edition: 30 bucks...

Minus Licensing costs, corporate costs, salaries, the cut that DrivethruRPG gets, etc. Yeah after that they get a little profit. Shocking, I know. You mean the salaries that all just got a +15% boost as a result of the kickstarter, and the DrivethruRPG cut that doesn't get paid since it's being sol...

If you don't think a new rulebook is worth 30-70 or so dollars, with 400+ pages, an entirely new edition, etc. then I guess you really haven't actually bought one in awhile, have you. Actually 40-50 is the typical price point I would expect. The number given earlier in this thread for a PoD book is...

Except if you were getting a 400+ page brand new book with glossy paper and special edition binding and coverings, once you add shipping and handling, it's comparable in price. So it's only an issue if you're not paying attention to how much stuff like this would generally cost. Here's the issue. T...

The deluxe edition books you don't get until 110 dollars. That's the issue. Except if you were getting a 400+ page brand new book with glossy paper and special edition binding and coverings, once you add shipping and handling, it's comparable in price. So it's only an issue if you're not paying att...

Wouldn't be able to get? Look, you can get these books, new , in actual honest to goodness feely goodness for less than $3. Not thirty dollars. Three dollars. Some of them cost less than two dollars . Are you being deliberately obtuse? I'm talking of stuff such as the Deluxe edition books, maps, mu...

So are these people arguing in favor of the kickstarter just like stockholm snydrome victims, or actual Exalted reps trying to play a PR game? Either way it's really sad. So are people replying to fans who actually want to support the game by paying for the deluxe edition and some fun extras just b...