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Because clearly, the thing that makes it rape or not rape is if it produces offspring that has some of the victim's DNA. Right? Right. Whatever argument you're thinking of came after this hilariously offensive and terrible start. But his next few posts aren't much better, either. I quoted the FBI a...

I don't see any way to resolve this with a reasonable sounding conclusion, but reality is under no obligation to seem reasonable. You have forced me to accept that botflys do indeed commit rape, and Alien 1 is a movie about rape even though they do a good job of tricking people into thinking it's ab...

Whatever wrote:Defending a narrow vision of what rape is

I've been defending a broader definition than the FBI, the WHO and the British government. If this is still too narrow then "rape" has lost all meaning, and that does harm people.

Your actual argument is "here is another parasite. It does not violently latch itself onto people's faces and mouthfuck them. You probably wouldn't call it a rapist. Therefore, because they are both parasites, you cannot call this other parasite which does violently latch itself onto people's ...

You haven't stated what you specifically disagree with, but I'll assume you consider it mandatory that the first episode of a series is examined in the context of sequels as soon as such sequels exist. This is the most charitable interpretation, because it's the only one that doesn't involve you bel...

You could search and replace all the words people consider "squicky" with different words and still argue about consistent logical definitions

So man up and admit that you were fucking wrong or you go on ignore and don't come off. Ever. Some consistent positions you could support: 1: Ovipositors are sexual organs. Inserting a sexual organ into an open wound is rape. Botflys are rapists. The xenomorph is a rapist. 2: Ovipositors are sexual...

When I watched Alien 1 I watched a movie about a parasite. It was clearly about a creature that reproduced like a botfly. I later discovered that it had a hidden metaphorical meaning of rape, but that does absolutely nothing to change the plain factual meaning that it's about a botfly style parasite...

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Pulsewidth wrote:Preserving the outmoded dictionary definition of a word for all time is more important to me than acknowledging that many forms of sexual violence constitute rape.

Go live in a fire.

The Alien 1 xenomorph is not committing sexual violence and more than a botfly is committing sexual violence.

Sex organs include flowers and prostates. It's a really big category. Forcibly inserting a flower into somebody's mouth is not rape under any reasonable definition. If you define ovipositors to be sexual organs then the only way you can prevent botflys from being rapists is by relying on a special ...

Arguing that only certain kinds of rape are "legitimate rape" is not just hugely offensive to victims, but also perpetuates rape culture generally. You're telling rape victims that they weren't actually raped because what happened to them doesn't accord with your biblical understanding of...

Isn't this dude familiar with the expressions such as "I will rape your face" and "You raped my face." That's generally considered to involve inserting a sex organ. If you mean something like "I overwhelmingly defeated you in a videogame", you are engaging in harmful d...

zugschef wrote:If I fist your ass, it is rape.

Yes, under both the FBI and the WHO definitions that is rape. However, if you fist my mouth, that is merely assault. And if you stuff a tapeworm egg down my throat, that isn't rape either.

You snipped the important part of the WHO definition, which is the orifice being penetrated. All organized combat sports ban "fishhooking" (inserting fingers into the opponent's mouth and attempting to tear their cheek). This isn't banned because it's rape, it's banned because it's unneces...

In general, are you of the opinion that rape victims wouldn't conceive if it was real rape, which is why you claim that the alien's "birth" isn't preceded by rape? It doesn't matter if any specific victim can conceive or not. Both definitions quoted require sex or sex organs, and sex is s...

Alien was high art precisely because it is one of the most transgressive and upsetting films ever made. I actually think that the tentacle rape in Eberron is way less horrifying than Alien It does not require sex to be horrifying. Its overt message is about parasites. Parasites can be even more hor...

If we have a fantasy monster that reproduces by trusting a veiny tube into a hapless victim mouth and injecting spores that will grow inside them, that's not rape as far as you're concerned? If the resulting offspring receives genetic information from the host, as in Alien 3, then it is rape. "...

FrankTrollman wrote: The Xenomorph's ovapositor is a sex organ. End of discussion.

Show me any evidence from the first movie that Xenomorphs reproduce sexually. It's an asexual parasite.

"Forced Oral Genital Contact" is in fact in the list of things that are rape. Shoving your reproductive tentacle down someone's throat is rape. Shoving *sexually* reproductive tentacles down a throat could be considered rape, but in the first Alien movie there is zero reason to believe th...

If you bent someone over, or forced them to their knees, and forced a metal pipe into a lower or their mouth, I'm pretty sure they would accuse you of raping them, in fact there's a term for that--"rape with a foreign object"--penetration with sexual organs or of sexual organs is not stri...

Dan O'Bannon is wrong, because rape is by definition impossible without sex. Despite the sexual imagery used in the movie there are no actual sexual actions. At worst it can be considered a metaphor for sex, but that's a secondary meaning compared to the overt parasitism theme.

It's not until the sequels and crossovers that the form of the new xenomorph somehow resembles the form of the host. You could argue that's a type of sexual reproduction, even if it uses magical space biology instead of DNA. But it doesn't happen in the original, so if the original Alien is about ra...

Whipstitch wrote:I'm comfortable declaring Shadowrun glitches a bad idea.

Glitches serve an important role in discouraging dump stats.

Real life combatants don't have wired reflexes, smartguns or tacnets. Movies characters can have equivalent superpowers, but they're crippled by the low framerate of the medium (making it literally impossible to show fast action clearly), and the expectation that untrained audiences should have some...

Rawbeard wrote: Actually sex and race can be changed. And even your sexual orientation, if you believe crazy pants religious peoples.

Gender can be changed, but sex cannot. Race cannot be changed by any reasonable definition of "race".