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Honest question: how wouldn't a fighter with this be cleric++ [ignoring for a moment that I think a cleric would get as many as those as possible after Divine Metamagic (Persistant) and be (cleric++)++]? Also, why not CL = CL (er, pardon the pun - caster level = character level)?

The key goes back to the requirements to cast a spell out of a wand with UMD - you have to roll a 20. Not a 21, a 20. If you roll a 20 on your UMD check, you cast as a 0th level Wizard for the purpose of activating the wand, and you successfully activate the wand of fireball.[br][br]But if you have...

d20srd.org wrote:Spells
Through 3rd level, a paladin has no caster level.

As said, I do find the paladin design retarded, but that's exactly what keeps some doubt at all about this - "to have a spell in the spell list" really doesn't mean "to have a caster level", as idiotic as it is.

Frank: while that is true, it's pretty much a problem scattered through the entirety of D&D - what subsystem doesn't have a corner where you get just bonuses and another where you get just options? So, while the problem does exist, I was asking about issues specific to incarnum, if any. Also, I ...

Guys, I've read the artificer discussion from the linked post to the end, but I'm still not seeing anything that overrides this:[br][br] Emulate a Class Feature[br] Sometimes you need to use a class feature to activate a magic item. In this case, your effective level in the emulated class equals you...

Magic of Incarnum was basically a straight up focus group pitch. It's an honest attempt to fix the magic item problems with wealth-by-level. It's just not even remotely ready for prime time because it's a fvcking focus group pitch rather than a playtested game. (...) All of the bullshit in MoI is s...