Dom3: Revenge of the Den

Rabelais · Post by **Rabelais** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:37 am

Please don't go AI. Finding a sub may take a little longer, but players going AI screw up the game like nothing else, DON'T DO IT.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:47 am

cthulhu getting Agartha wouldn't be fair at all for Man

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Edit: And having said that, giving Korwin Agartha could be unfair to Gath.

cthulhu · Post by **cthulhu** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:58 am

Why? I'm not frank, I don't carry grudges between games. Sometimes you have to set people on fire, sometimes it's great to be chummy.

I'm in a game with Korwin where he is playing his third team in the game, and during that time he's gone from 'I don't even care where he is on the map' to 'Ally' to 'Sworn Bad Dude'

I am totally okay with that.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:53 am

Oh, I know you're not Frank. The problem isn't grudges actually.

The problem is that you're now quite familiar with the Chelmian military machine (or at least you should be). Unlike most other players, you're aware of the units I use, the spells my armies have, and the formations we deploy in. In fact, you're probably the only player who has actually seen a Chelmian army in action.

Such information would be pretty useful should Agartha and Chelms ever go to war - always a possibility with two neighbors with long borders.

By contrast, if Korwin took over Agartha he's not carrying a lot of "free information" with him. His current war is against Agartha - so he would already know how Agartha fights anyway. The one who loses out here is Gath - since Gath has fought against R'yleh and now Korwin carries with him info on how the Gath army works.

In short, it's nothing personal. It's all about operational security

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Edit: Also, we really hope that whoever takes over Agartha will honor their current treaties

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TheNotSoEvilNecromancer · Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:19 am

Zinegata wrote: The problem is that you're now quite familiar with the Chelmian military machine (or at least you should be). Unlike most other players, you're aware of the units I use, the spells my armies have, and the formations we deploy in. In fact, you're probably the only player who has actually seen a Chelmian army in action.

Good-friend Patala of the Apefolk, send me a secret messenger to my capital to explain to me the layout of the strategic formations of the greasy cities of Man. BAM!

As for Kowin, I already know more about Gath's military than Rl'yeh probably does at this point thanks to my scout witnessing the Battle of Gath where he routed Ulm. Granted, I also wouldn't blame him for continuing on with his current nation, the rumors of Rl'yeh's death have been greatly exaggerated.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:30 am

Actually, we've sort of made sure that the Patalans never got to see a lot of Man. Just a castle and provinces that used to be Patalan

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We take security and intelligence-gathering pretty seriously in the land of Towers and Arthurian Knights. Hence all the dead scouts at our borders >_>.

cthulhu · Post by **cthulhu** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:55 am

If anyone wants it, I will send you my saved games with battle reports that you can watch yourself, and a complete map of my scouts reports of Man's dominions no problems.

If you want it, PM me an email address.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:38 am

Now that's just spite man

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Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:31 pm

Next turn in.

TheNotSoEvilNecromancer · Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:13 pm

Turn In. Well, I'll stick around until Patala is legitimately beaten before I decide if I need a sub.

In other news...

Rl'yeh, if I had to play grab-ass with an army, I'm honored to have played grab-ass with yours.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:16 pm

Stand still, I'll come to you!

Edit: Good to hear you are staying until an Sub is ready.
I'll do my best to not be it

Ikeren · Post by **Ikeren** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:21 pm

Edit: I thought better of this post.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:58 pm

I think it is in bad taste to have someone who was a player in a game act as a sub in that game. They simply have information that it is unreasonable for the position in question to have. The issue of people carrying over grudges is totally secondary. The only exception I would make is for team games. Obviously it would be right and proper for a fallen member of a team to sub for one of the still-thriving team mates, since they were supposedly sharing all intelligence the whole time anyway.

-Username17

cthulhu · Post by **cthulhu** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:52 pm

If we can get a sub from outside the game I'd prefer that. If the choice is sub within the game or AI, then I'd prefer a sub from within the game.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:57 pm

AI is definitely the worst choice available. We're gonna end up squabbling over an Agarthian Compromise on how to divide the mindless AI's empire between us

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K · Post by K » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:55 am

For the record, I don't really have any military secrets. I tend to adapt tactics based on what I'm fighting.

TheNotSoEvilNecromancer · Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:59 am

I won't go AI, don't worry about it. I may very well continue to the bitter end if a sub can't be found.

In other news...

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Rabelais · Post by **Rabelais** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:23 am

Glad we will not be having an immediate AI snafu.

Everyone in my reallife family is sick atm, especially me.

I shouldn't have too much trouble submitting turns, but my diplo speed may suffer a bit.

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:42 am

I'd love to buy stuff from our traditional Agarthan Allies but I'm still collecting the necessary gems.

cthulhu · Post by **cthulhu** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:29 pm

I have a sub for the game that's not me, I'll get him to rego soon.

jimbojones1971 · Post by **jimbojones1971** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:27 pm

Rabelais wrote:Glad we will not be having an immediate AI snafu.

Everyone in my reallife family is sick atm, especially me.

I shouldn't have too much trouble submitting turns, but my diplo speed may suffer a bit.

Ouch, good luck dude. I'm just in the process of coming down with something too, so I sympathise.

jimbojones1971 · Post by **jimbojones1971** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:28 pm

I notice Rabelais hasn't submitted Abysia's turn yet, and he did say that he was sick (as was the rest of his family).

Are we able to extend the period to give him a chance to submit? He's due to start beating me up the turn after this one, and it wouldn't be nearly as much fun if a stale happened in between

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:43 pm

The turn just processed. I don't think Abysia got their turn in.

Oh well, submitted next turn.

Akula · Post by **Akula** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:50 pm

Maybe we should increase the turn timer for a few days. 36 or 48 hour turns could be helpful now that we are moving into the midgame.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:29 pm

Abysia aka. Rabelais got his turn in:
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminActio ... showstales