Almaz wrote:Aryxbez wrote:So, why is it so hard for Frank to merely just point out evidence to prove himself right/wrong, and Caedrus right/wrong? As it seems to me, Frank is just saying he refuses to provide evidence because: " I'm always right, and have people to back me up all religiously like, regardless if they understand the situation or not."
If that is the case, seems a bit immature to me, just point out the evidence to support what you say, and if you turn out wrong, oh well, learn to change your position.
Starting to sound like childish pride to me, if
Caedrus is right/wrong, I and others who cared enough to continue the conversation would probably like to see some facts!
I really don't know what more evidence I can provide beyond what I posted for Robby's benefit earlier on this thread (if you haven't looked at that, then do), save actually going out and bugging *more* of the old members to get on and verify my claim, and frankly I'm not willing to waste their time on this old nonsense.
But you know, every single participant witness on the Okay Your Turn forums has just been written off as Biased because... why? I'm not exactly sure. Apparently the idea is that I have some kind of cult following of sycophants Frank does? That'd be news to me, lol.
Meanwhile, Frank just keeps throwing down insults and allegations, without even producing the least bit of evidence. He can't even be bothered to make a complete claim. He won't even tell you what essay was supposedly "copied."
Because Caedrus can declare any evidence that Frank provides as fabricated
But he hasn't provided any. Not one thing. At all...
Not only will he not provide evidence, he won't even make a complete ALLEGATION. He won't even say what was supposedly copied.
Caedrus' material was on a secret password only forum that he has administrative command over.
It was a password only sub-forum of Monte Cooke's "Okay, Your Turn" forum, and was ultimately administrated by Silver Dragon / Soren Staun.
Apparently, Frank's outlandish story that he would have you believe that I went through some herculean subversive effort to hide any signs of evidence that some (unnamed) essay of his was copied wholly and verbatim into the course of discussion, removed entirely without any trace or notice in the surrounding discussion, and doctor the administrative logs and such of a site that I don't even own, all because of his "non-accusation."
Hell, Occam's Razor should suffice.
Because honestly I didn't think it was a big deal, and still didn't until Cadrus started BAWWING when I mentioned the event in an off-hand statement several months later.
...You know, all anyone has to do is read the stuff you wrote to see that it's not an off hand statement. You've been calling me all kinds of names in just this thread alone. All the "bawwing" I've done is pointing out that what you're saying simply is not a matter of fact.
Checking right now is impossible, because Caedrus can and has changed the passwords several times.
Man, you just love making up random bullshit, don't you? That's not even how the site worked. You made up your own password. I just gave account permissions... people provided their own passwords.
Nevermind that you make it sound like this is still going on. The site went public forever ago. And then moved to a wiki format. And then the project ended.
In absolutely none of these formats was there ever any sign of influence from your work, let alone someone going around claiming your ideas were theirs.
[*] I looked at it and confirmed that it was writing I had written, and took the principled stand that ideas should be free to copy whichever which way you want, and elected to do absolutely nothing.
If that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. You've been going on and on about this for months and months now. Long after the site became a public wiki, long after the project was finished. Long after the site was taken down, a friend links me here pointing out that all this time later, you are still constantly ranting that I, a guy whose life revolves around producing original creative content, am a guy who only claims credit for your work, even though obviously *nothing I've ever produced even shows a little bit of influence from your crap.*
[*] Months later, I mentioned the incidence, and Caedrus flipped the fuck out.
You know, it doesn't seem so hard for other people here to understand why being falsely accused of using your work might bother someone.
[*] Caedrus attempted to "prove me wrong" by walking various people through prepared sections of his secret forum like a North Korean tour guide showing visitors how everything was fine.
Oh yeah, because everyone's going through so much effort just to secretly steal credit for your stuff so he can get all the glory on... a site that wasn't even available to the public? Hmm. Yes, your story makes so much sense.
[*] Caedrus announced that he had been totally vindicated by the UN weapons inspectors - even though the person in question piped up that he hadn't actually visited it yet and hadn't made any determination at all.[/list]
As Bigode and a couple others have pointed out, this is a complete lie. Leress said that the claim was shown to be false, as did others.
That's right, he is insisting that he has proof that his password-hidden, redacted material did not contain the things I say I saw back when I saw them. That is seriously what he is claiming.
I said there was evidence in my favor, not absolute proof, because absolute proof is a fantasy. Also, burden of proof always rests on the claimant.
Edited either because quotes broke the forum, or because of some super secret pointless conspiracy to inflate Frank's ego.
