The Shadowrun Situation

crizh · Post by **crizh** » Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:21 pm

Sticks is certainly in there. I'm afraid he ain't much of a threat to anybody due to not having an Initiative stat or any IP's...

Fuchs · Post by **Fuchs** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:57 pm

So, shoddy writing/editing as usual.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:51 pm

Spells and Chrome . .
Dirk Montgomery has, somehow, lost his Cyber-Arm, it seems . .

crizh · Post by **crizh** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:49 am

Almost every one I bothered to look at has much the same 'problem, good basic ideas but poor execution.

Ma'Fan, for example, was the first one I was interested enough in to look at. She has invested time and karma in learning Power Throw 2. Shame she forgot to learn Throwing Weapons really...

She also has over 20 doses of various drugs but lacks any real delivery systems. Not even DMSO.

I humbly submit that world class runners need to be designed by world class designers.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:35 am

Stahlseele wrote:Spells and Chrome . .
Dirk Montgomery has, somehow, lost his Cyber-Arm, it seems . .

That is the least of the offenses committed in that book.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:49 am

But it's one of the most glaringly wrong things . .

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:54 am

No. Dirk having a flesh and blood arm is at least possible. You can get that kind of surgery done over the weekend. When you talk about "glaringly wrong," the shit that comes up is "the Necronomicon."

Wesley Street · Post by **Wesley Street** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:55 pm

Took a glance at the product lines on display at Gen Con's Catalyst booth. CGL's really pushing their new game lines; Cosmic Patrol, Leviathans, Hex-A-Gon, and Merchants. Attendees were showing off their Leviathans pieces to each other so it seemed popular.

A fiberglass Battletech mech was on display in 2010 but both BT and Shadowrun had a very subdued presence this year.

Otakusensei · Post by **Otakusensei** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:52 am

Maybe, just maybe, they are dumb enough to think that Shadowrun isn't worth putting the effort into. Fuck I hope that's true.

Draco_Argentum · Post by **Draco_Argentum** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:51 am

Maybe they aren't certain they'll keep the license and want to invest cash into ip that can't be taken from them?

Neurosis · Post by **Neurosis** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:50 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:
crizh wrote:Well looks like the designer at least had the smarts to build in a response to the stupid ' I shoot him with a missile ' bullshit.

What amazes me is that DS has 5 pages of twaddle before anyone thinks to point out that the stat's are now in the public domain and not a matter for speculation any longer.
A missile would still totally nail him, the defenses aren't really that big.
-Username17

Let's run the numbers on this Frank. To start with: which missile. SR4 has way more than it really needs, especially now that WAR and all the RBB content are out.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:07 pm

Missles would probably simply MISS . . because of the fucked up scatter rules . .

Otakusensei · Post by **Otakusensei** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:25 am

Null sweat, use designator spells!

That sound is my head hitting the wall over and over again.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:30 pm

http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php? ... 5#msg65515
And this is basically EVERYTHING that's wrong with current shadowrun writing in one. single. posting.

fectin · Post by **fectin** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:00 pm

Otakusensei wrote:Null sweat, use designator spells!

That sound is my head hitting the wall over and over again.

Then you don't even need to bring your own missile; just an armored vehicle so someone else brings one.

Otakusensei · Post by **Otakusensei** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:00 pm

Stahlseele wrote:http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php? ... 5#msg65515
And this is basically EVERYTHING that's wrong with current shadowrun writing in one. single. posting.

That was interesting enough to get me to post on the official forums again. Looks like I still had a little bit of give-a-shit.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:11 pm

Seriously . . and then they complain when we bitch about their writing . .
IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WRITING TO BE BITCHED ABOUT, MAKE YOUR WRITING NOT SUCK DAMN IT! -.-

Edit: OK, Neurosis actually apologized for his flippant remark . . which is something that i can respect . .

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:47 pm

Crimsondude is a dick. As far as I can tell, he always has been. Nothing new there.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:58 pm

*nods*
seems like it.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:16 am

I officially don't understand pricing anymore.

For those just tuning in (ha), the latest print book, Street Legends is going to hit the brick-and-mortar with a price of $44.99. If that seems like a lot, it's because it really fucking is. For comparison, the nominal cover price of Shadowrun 4th Edition 20th Anniversary Edition is also $44.99. I don't know if they're factoring in the Amazon discount already, but that's a lot of money for that little book - SR4A is 373 pages, SL is less than 200.

I know companies can get away with charging those prices - Rogue Trader and Dark Heresy, for example, both clock in at $59.95 nominal for the core books, with sourcebooks at $49.95 - so you could argue that maybe SR4A is underpriced by comparison. But those books have much higher production values and actual editing. It's really glaring to me to see them charge that much for an SR sourcebook.

raben-aas · Post by **raben-aas** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:22 am

*shrug* If a price is too high, the customers won't buy it. If customers buy it, the price wasn't too high. God knows I wouldn't pay that much for a sourcebook about just some NPCs, but then again I am not a metaplot or NPC follower.

Give me a full-color book with less than 200 pages crammed full of illustrated and statted goons and utterly unknown, but interesting henchmen and nemeses I can copy+paste (= directly use) in my game (including art I can show my players and say "this is what your characters are looking at", and I would gladly pay even a lot more $$$ for it.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:22 am

5-15 bucks for something like that: ok
20-30 bucks kinda expensive
30+? where's a torrent for this?

dead tree, i'll buy up to 40€.

raben-aas · Post by **raben-aas** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:24 am

Sorry, Stahlseele, but a full-color book at 5-15 bucks is not "ok".

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:28 am

not full colour in the up to 15 bucks category.
if it is in full colour, then it should be in the 20-30 bucks range and that'd be okay.

Fucks · Post by **Fucks** » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:47 am

Stahlseele wrote: if it is in full colour, then it should be in the 20-30 bucks range and that'd be okay.