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FrankTrollman
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

K wrote:
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by the by, MNCs complain that chinese wages are too high, consider moving back to america where the workers are cheap. what the fuck is this bullshit.


Was anyone confused about the Chinese tactic of keeping their currency artificially low to encourage foreign investment so that the rest of the world would build the infrastructure and train the workforces that they'd later nationalize or capitalize when we left (willingly or unwillingly)?


It's slightly deeper than that. They are also using exchange rate shenanigans to close up industries in other parts of the world. During the Clinton administration, the US produced half the rare earths in the whole world. China subsidized the fuck out of rare earth mining in China and now there are no rare earth mines open in the US. Now that the US doesn't have a rare earth mining operation going, it is miraculously more expensive to buy rare earths from China.

It wasn't just about getting foreign corporations to build them factories and train their workers - it was also about getting other countries to close their factories and leave glaring vacancies in their available national skill sets.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

China is playing a long game, and Capitalism is King, is playing right into it.
We've known this for years.
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Count Arioch the 28th
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Psychic Robot wrote:

small and midsize businesses can operate under free market conditions. you can slap as many regulations on large corporations (especially MNCs) as you want.


I can agree to that pretty readily. The small and medium dogs can compete all they want as long as someone keeps the big dogs from jumping in an taking everything.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

As long as small businesses are benefiting from government subsidized:
    roads
    shipping
    security
    power
    water
    fire protection
    worker health
    worker education
    communications
    fuel
    building standards
    banking acreditation
    and currency

...then their market isn't going to be truly "free" now is it? As long as the owner of a small business can grab a hot dog and trust that there is a government agency guarantying that it is not poisonous and government run court system allowing him to receive damages if it is - nothing that businessman does after lunch will be done without having received indirect government subsidy.

So that small business is already benefiting from regulations and does not exist in a free market. Even if no regulation mentions that business' business at all and they never have to talk to even a single regulator or inspector. It is literally impossible to be unregulated, because every input into your company down to the fact that your workers can read is government regulated.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

small and medium dogs are also the first to jump on the illegal dumping, use cats instead of chicken, use cardboard for bbq pork in buns, band wagon.

Small Business owners are often of dubious moral standing when it comes to them and their money. They will cheat their employees, their customers, and destroy the environment just to make an extra $500 a week.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Grek wrote:
You can totally tax your way into getting more money for Social Security, and it would be a good idea to do so.


Apparently Bernard Sanders et.al. just proposed it. House Liberals Press Massive Social Security Tax Increase

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The legislation is designed to keep the pension program solvent for the next 75 years, which is the standard used by government actuaries, by putting an additional $6.5 trillion into the Social Security trust fund over that period. The plan also is intended to head off other efforts to overhaul the program or trim benefits, or to use its funds to help pay for debt reduction.


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Currently, workers and their employers each owe a payroll tax of 6.2 percent of a worker's wages up to $106,800 a year. That tax would be imposed on wages above $250,000 under the liberals' plan. Sponsors include Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., and Sens. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I.


Of course, Republicans will probably oppose any new taxes. I don't really oppose this per se, but I'm kind of dissapointed that there is a gap between $106,800 and $250,000. We need to address the $106,800 line because that's a stupid one in the first place.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Ok, here's a better idea:

Tax the fuck out of everybody who uses foreign/inmigrant labor + crackdown on all those "non-profit funds" that ultra-rich corporations use to avoid taxes.

Problem solved. Pay for what you want. You can have universal healthcare, but people get to pay money for getting whatever treatment they want ASAP. Else, you get medical tourism.

Also:

*Get rid off the Affirmative Action bullshit.
*Get rid off the Family Law racket.
*Full amnesty to student debt (can't have economic recovery with young people being debt serfs).
*Superflous lawsuits are against the law, people get fines for presenting them on a court.
*Crack down on the Defense contract racket.
*Cut the crap about "hurr spreading Democracy" and either admit that wars are for oil money and pay soldiers a good share, or call back troops all-together.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Wow, I don't think I've ever agreed with Gx1080 before, but I agree with about 2/3rds of what he wrote. It's a shame you Yanks don't have a political party that espouses such views.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I hate it when Gx1080 says something i agree with. Makes me question my beliefs.

We should have universal basic healthcare, with supplemental private insurance. That's always been the way to go.

Which part of Family Law do you not like? The one where it protects abused wives, or abused children? What exactly about Family law is so 'bad'.
Don't allow divorces? Adoptions?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The part where ex-partners are encouraged to accuse each other of all kinds of nasty shit just to prop up the alimony money. It encourages divorces and Goverment thugs/Divorce lawyers milking citizens dry.

And the heavy bias towards women on all of the above.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You know for every story you have of some poor schmuck who got taken to the cleaners by his wife, there's an equal story about some poor woman who lost everything. Divorce is ugly, People are ugly, and people lie on pretty much all sides of divorce.

Do I think men should get more equality in parental rights? Yes. But you're an idiot if you don't realize WHY the bias was there in the first place. Sometimes, the accusations are true. If you want a divorce because your ex-partner beat you every day. That's legit, or because your partner molested your child. Just because some people abuse the system, doesn't mean those aren't VALID reasons.

And you do realize that government 'thugs' don't get involved in Divorces? ever? Unless you mean the Judge.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Judges and the whole bureaucratic bullshit around.

Though I believe that Goverments should not be involved on the Marriage business alltogether. People cohabitate, and they get to be called whatever they want for their religions/friends/family/etc.

There shouldn't be a bias. "Equality" and all of that.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I agree, the government should get out of the marriage business. Though they do need to allow for family contracts. So that people can have a short cut way of giving each other full powers of attorney, and inheritance, etc.

But, when someone breaks that Contract, and tries to take your kids from you. You need to have a way of discussing it. Or when your husband cheats on you, and kicks you and the kids out of the house, when you've been a stay at home mom supporting him for 15 years. Someone needs to protect you.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Gx1080 wrote:

You can have universal healthcare, but people get to pay money for getting whatever treatment they want ASAP.


This is more or less how it works in the UK. We have the NHS, which is universal and free-at-the-point-of-delivery, and then we have private healthcare companies for those people willing to pay for faster treatment/experimental surgeries/nicer accommodation or whatever.

One of the weirder things about the US healthcare debate, from my perspective, is the way people act like universal and private healthcare are mutually exclusive.
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Small Business owners are often of dubious moral standing when it comes to them and their money. They will cheat their employees, their customers, and destroy the environment just to make an extra $500 a week.

funny thing is that this backfires on them. if customers aren't satisfied with the quality of their service, if employees don't like the way they're treated,
if the environmental dumping is a problem, then bad things happen to the company. when walmart loses a customer, they don't care. when walmart is fined, they don't care. when someone quits walmart, they don't care. when aunt millie's homestyle restaurant has bad shit happen, it affects the company.

re: UHC
if you want universal health care, then do it on the state level. personally I think health care should be privatized but I could be swayed toward socializing emergency services in the same way that the fire department and police are socialized
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I'm not sure how discussions on whether PR is a terrible person or not is on-topic.

Ant wrote:
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Ant, what do we do about Psychic Robot?

You do not seem to do anything.


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Gnosticism Is A Hoot wrote:
Gx1080 wrote:

You can have universal healthcare, but people get to pay money for getting whatever treatment they want ASAP.


This is more or less how it works in the UK. We have the NHS, which is universal and free-at-the-point-of-delivery, and then we have private healthcare companies for those people willing to pay for faster treatment/experimental surgeries/nicer accommodation or whatever.

One of the weirder things about the US healthcare debate, from my perspective, is the way people act like universal and private healthcare are mutually exclusive.


you have universal healthcare of sorts in the US, and THAT is what it is compared to...

there are free clinics you can go and get some things done or medicine, but having to sit and wait 5 hours for free flu shot, versus going and paying $100 to get it done in 5 minutes, means you are losing less money getting the paid one.

if taxes take for the universal method and become so slow.. it is a waste of resources still when it doesnt do things quick enough.

people in the US dont like being sick, and when sick, surely dont want to be around other people for an extended length of time, some whiny kids and such or just loud anything.

the clinics in some areas that do the free flu shots, are like giant cattle herds, and the system isnt organized enough to get things done any quicker or better, and other countries prove to show the red-tape and procedure to getting things done doesnt really improve the organization. partially due to lack of personnel, but also they just dont care because of the worship of the $, and they arent getting paid enough to care.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

who the hell pays $100 for a flu shot, you can get it for like $30. also why am I replying to shadzar
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I'm not sure how discussions on whether PR is a terrible person or not is on-topic.

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You do not seem to do anything.
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*Cut the crap about "hurr spreading Democracy" and either admit that wars are for oil money and pay soldiers a good share, or call back troops all-together.
There are a couple of theories which state that the decline of the Roman empire started when the senate stopped paying the soldiers and the generals started topping up their pay with loot.

I think a recall is a much better idea.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Psychic Robot wrote:
who the hell pays $100 for a flu shot, you can get it for like $30. also why am I replying to shadzar


Who pays anything for a flu shot? I have something called an immune system, and it's free with the cost of rent and food. Flu shots are a waste of money for a healthy man in his early 30s that lives indoors.
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Count Arioch the 28th wrote:
Flu shots are a waste of money for a healthy man in his early 30s that lives indoors.


But this indoor early 30's man doesn't want to bring it home to his family and spread it around the hospital where he works.

There's something to be said for not spreading it around rather than flaunting your superior immune system in the face of those more susceptible to harm.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The answer to that one is...

...Drink straight from the carton! Your saliva can only make them stronger!

....But, yes. Flu shots are for the younger/older crowd, mainly.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

erik wrote:
Count Arioch the 28th wrote:
Flu shots are a waste of money for a healthy man in his early 30s that lives indoors.


But this indoor early 30's man doesn't want to bring it home to his family and spread it around the hospital where he works.

There's something to be said for not spreading it around rather than flaunting your superior immune system in the face of those more susceptible to harm.


I see your point. But I don't have a family, and have a lot of repressed malice to most of the people I have to deal with every day. Plus, I've already missed two days this year; if I call out one more time before next August, I get fired. So really, I don't have a choice.
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Foo Fighters 1, Westboro Baptist Church 0.

The WBC was protesting something and the Foo Fighters decided to cruise by and play very, very loudly. Play a song about man-love.

I'm actually looking forward to finding out the WBC's reaction.
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--The horror of Mario

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Maxus wrote:
Foo Fighters 1, Westboro Baptist Church 0.

The WBC was protesting something and the Foo Fighters decided to cruise by and play very, very loudly. Play a song about man-love.

I'm actually looking forward to finding out the WBC's reaction.
Awesome. Although I think we all already know what their reaction is going to be.
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Double post.

That's odd. I don't remember hitting the button twice or anything.


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