ishy wrote:So at what level are we supposed to play? Since weaker is less fun, you only play in max level games?
Should probably read my
prior post from a page ago, where advocating away from "max level" (Wizard-level? I assume) games,thusly, somewhat the opposite. I thought I made it fairly clear, but any misconceptions, I will try to clear up if I can.
SlyJohnny wrote:Danger is also a matter of setting and feel, not just mechanics.
Say the adventure hook is you're driving your car through a post apocalyptic landscape from point A to B, but you run out of fuel. You have to ditch your car and go find more.
But this does not mean that every reasonable, mechanically-balanced campaign has to have the players as a team of unstoppable dangerous badasses.
I will make the side-note, that I do adore Post-apocalyptic genre, and probably would enjoy Scenario 1. However, I understand that it is a different breed of sort from D&D's heroic Fantasy. Even in the D&D sense, those scenarios are very easily a level range difference. Scenario 1, is one easier captured in 1-5th level range, while by mid levels-onward, scenario 2 will be much more common.
In regards to level ranges, at higher levels, PC's will be (or supposed to be) said "unstoppable dangerous bad@$$es". In case of Mid levels, if they're just fighting 1-5th opposition, then to that setting, they will be pretty unstoppable. Even a 6th level Fighter could fight a nearly infinite amount of Goblins/Orcs. At High Levels, that's kind of the idea here, the things that challenge them, are equally BA opposition, and thus brings ability to be threatened, and like, back into the fold.
Thusly, it's fine if people want to play low level apocalyptic games, but, I'm not gonna pretend Fallout is somehow a High Level game, or otherwise make 10th level into a 5th level game. Yes, I know ye can make an "Undead Apocalypse" by using Undead of Various CRs to fit into other level ranges, but that's not really the point. As then yes, those Undead are ideally, going to be less "The Walking Dead", and more Giant Flying Shadow bats, and the Hullathoin, not trying to force low level opposition to be relevant threat to high level characters.
but people who crave the first scenario aren't always just idiots that can't do math or that pride themselves on what hardcore, murderous DM's they are.
Sure, but their desire is probably a different level range, or perhaps a different game entirely. D&D is Heroic Fantasy, if anyone feels that's a point of contention, they can read the back of the goddamn PHB (also introductory as well). If they don't want to play to the level ranges where PC's are especially heroic and competent, then they should probably not do so, and that's totally cool.
Also, I don't think DM's need to be "Hardcore, murderous" to challenge PC's appropriately, but they shouldn't have to play monsters like complete retards either.
I also find it odd that people are implicating I'm all "Dark Souls hardcore" and need an Ego boost?