Kaelik wrote:Starmaker wrote:For fuck's sake, Tyahnybok is also on wikipedia, and has been for quite some time. Wikipedia's POV is not remotely N, and even then,
WTF are you talking about. I don't mean, you are wrong and dumb, I mean WTF are you talking about? Are you saying that the things on Wikipedia are false? Irrelevant? How is Wikipedia not N, not N implies baised in some direction, so please tell me what specifically they are biased for or against and why, since this is apparently such common knowledge that you didn't even bother mentioning it in your last post it should be easy to explain.
Wikipedia English has a demonstrable "pro-Western" bias in current affairs, which is unsurprising because most of English Wikipedia's news sources are in English, which necessarily elevates American and British points of view above Russian and Chinese points of view. For example, let's look at the wikipedia page for the
Budapest Agreement. As of the time of this writing it says:
wikipedia wrote:Following the 2014 Crimean crisis, the US stated that Russian involvement is in breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, and in clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Now that piece has been edited dozens of times in the last two days, and it's
way more neutral than what it said this weekend, which is that Russia
had violated the agreement. But in any case, even now the Russian position that the country has not violated the terms of the agreement does not appear in the summary while the US position that it has does.
This doesn't make wikipedia a bad source, but it means that wikipedia isn't neutral, especially on issues where most of one side of a disagreement is published in a language other than English. It's an unavoidable consequence of opinion aggregation - opinions in the used language simply count for more than opinions in other languages. If you really want to see crazy, check out
non-English wikipedia pages, where the represented opinions are even more limited in scope. Czech wikipedia spouts popular local conspiracy theories as fact all the time.
Redshirt wrote:No, it is not. The Bosniaks represented a whopping 9 percent of Yugoslavia's population, and even in Bosnia-Herzegovina they only had the biggest plurality. Ethnic Russians are around double that percentage, and an overwhelming majority in Crimea. Most importantly, as has been so amply demonstrated, they have a huge gorilla in their corner, and everyone in power in Ukraine knew that without the Russians seizing territory.
Svoboda is the fourth-largest party in Ukraine, and that's only on the strength of its anti-incumbant, anti-oligarch image--the hard core that might actually be willing to engage in ethnic cleansing is much, much smaller. The notion that there was an imminent threat of military or paramilitary forces swarming and killing Russians in Crimea is a delusional fantasy.
You are a stupid person. The Bosnia situation completely destroys your argument. The Croatian situation completely destroys your argument. The Kosovo situation completely destroys your argument. The breakup of Yugoslavia destroys your argument
three times. Being a local majority and a national minority has historically been no protection at all from ethnic cleansing that had the support of the national government. You know there were Tutsi majority regions in Rwanda, right? You know that there are regions in Myanmar with majority Shan and Kachin populations, right? You know that a majority of people in South Sudan are Nilotic people, right?
Yes, only one in three of the parties in the government has explicitly and publicly endorsed the ethnic cleansing of Russians, Poles, and Jews from the Ukraine. But you know what? They are in the fucking government, and they could start bringing the hammer down on ethnic Russians at any time. You know, like the anti-Russian language law that they already proposed and passed in parliament. That's how it begins. It has already begun. The Russians of Ukraine are right to be afraid.
Yes, the ethnic Russians have a gorilla in their corner. But that gorilla only counts if it acts. Which is why the elected leader of Crimea asked for and received action from that gorilla.
Putin is a bad guy. Putin's Russia is regressive in a lot of ways. But there are people in the current Ukrainian government who are explicitly advocating the mass deportation and ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians. The ethnic Russians turning to Putin for protection is regrettably, a perfectly reasonable course of action for them.
-Username17
