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darkmaster wrote:Shadzar, Trinity Blood and Attack on Titan are what can be classified and "not balls" while Evangelion and School Days could, on the other hand, be classified as "balls".
When you take the balls out of your mouth (hand since you are typing) and learn to speak English, someone might understand you.
deanruel87 wrote:Samurai Jack I actually have watched a fair number of. I guess I didn't know if that was anime. I had no real problems with it. If I watched it 12 years ago I would have probably loved Samurai Jack but as a full grown man it's just not for me.
The thing is in America, cartoons are for kids. Samurai Jack is made by the same person that made Dexter's Lab, and is his version of Amerime (is that a word for America Anime?). He was trying to jump ont he bandwagon of anime popularity

there is a huge culture difference between east and west, so the ideas of what a cartoona re and who for are very different and many forget they came from porn, like most other video technology advances.

thus a reason for Ghibli to be so popular is it doesn't try to fit any niche because of age, gender, or any other demographic, it just tries to tell the story with the Ghibli twist like Earthsea or Howls. Pokemon is popular because it has run so long and people grew up on it as kids, and never put it away. People are learning that you can like things as an adult that you liked as a kid.

Look at how 4kids turned the "black" pirate on Ussop's island pink, removed all the smoking and etc because they were making it 4kids, and thus why Funi has it now. Mainstream is dumbed down for American while many outside the mainstream or who have a big enough following to begin with are unaltered. Thus you get Naruto uncut now, the full version of DBZ Kai with the missing episode, etc.

Shonen just means for teenage males. Ruroni Kenshin story is about a samurai a master who gave up his was of killing and only uses his sword back when he has to fight and only for those who deserve its use. no longer a mercenary for a corrupt government. (again why Gintama uses a wooden sword for the same reason.) Like DBZ, GI Joe, Transformer, etc it is just made to appeal to a certain age of males.

Ruroni Kenshin, Yuy, Tenchi Muyo are all the same classification of Shonen.

really you ahve to look at the story. When i started watching an episode of Bleach I didn't think it would be good, then it came on TV and I saw what was going on after the first few episodes in order and it made more sense and had a good story. sadly the longer ones are slow to start, and ALL have stupid parts but they use those mostly to give comedic relief rather than have everything action or drama.

more along the lines of Cyborg 009 would be things like Kikaider and many more that resemble Ultraman.

again the question would be what kind of setting and what kind of story are you interested in to be able to tell what to suggest.
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darkmaster wrote:Just because a criticism is blisteringly obvious doesn't mean it's not a valid criticism.
There is a spoiler in my post. You should open it and read it. Because what the fuck. Oh, it turns out you did read it, you just spent three paragraphs rambling about irrelevant shit anyway. Okay. Great. I'm just going to skip that.
darkmaster wrote:That might hold water if the character had a progression, but Shinji and Asuna are both static characters.
Angel already said it, but Shinji and Asuka actually just do fucking change and you are completely and totally wrong. They change in the exact way you are bitching about (i.e. they become shittier and more broken), but no matter how much a change pisses you off it does not let you pretend it never happened and declare things static.
darkmaster wrote:If they started out as upstanding human beings, or hell started out with redeeming qualities at all, and the pressure and stress broke them down as the show went on, then yeah, you might be right, but they didn't.
That would not be a story about overcoming teenage angst loneliness, insecurity, and depression. It would be a story about redemption and healing. It would be a shitty story about redemption and healing, because NGE is really not set up for that and the idea of Instrumentality does not complement the need for redemption in the same way it complements being a total fuck up.
darkmaster wrote:I will be fucked if I let you defend the characters in this monstrosity because "no really they were supposed to be horrible you're just missing the point".
So, I get that you're trying to win ground here by acting indignant and making overly broad declarations that sound sensible at first glance, but I'm going to make you put your money where your mouth is.

Are you seriously arguing that characters who are shitty people can never have a positive value to the narrative, and therefore "they were supposed to be horrible" can never be a defense of a character who is a shitty person? Or will you realize that that's fucking stupid and walk it back, kneecapping your own complaints for me?
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DMS, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'll ignore the clumsy attempts to call into question my credibility via irreverent personal attacks. No, better to focus on how your actual arguments are in incoherent and self defeating. You seriously argued in one paragraph that Shinji and Asuka totally have an arcs and become shittier through the story, and then in the very next thought argued that if they had started out as not entirely terrible then it would have been an entirely different story. So which is it, are they static characters and it's the story you claim it is, or are they not static characters and they have an arc?

And no, that's not what I'm arguing, shitty people can have positive value to a narrative. But they either have to either be people we're not supposed to sympathize with like a sepharoth or have actual real redeeming qualities that allow us to sympathize with them. The characters in NGE do not meet either criterion.

Now as for the argument that Shinji and Asuka have arcs... I don't believe you. Shinji's implied rape fantasies are squiky and certainly the straw that breaks the camel's back, but there's actually nothing previously established in his character the implies he didn't have those fantasies before. He doesn't show any particular moral fiber before then, he never does anything that would show him to be upstanding, even though he pilots the Eva and fights the angles, he either has to be piratically forced to or tries to act superior to everyone around him, and- becoming Asuna is a change for him, I guess, but it's more like sliding into an adjacent kind of shit bag than a forward arc towards broken insanity.
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If you like Lucky Star then I will explain in great detail why Lucky Star is the a shitty shitty anime for shitty shitty people, and how the characters have no interesting abilities at all, and everything is poorly designed especially the skill challenges.
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darkmaster wrote:DMS, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'll ignore the clumsy attempts to call into question my credibility via irreverent personal attacks. No, better to focus on how your actual arguments are in incoherent and self defeating. You seriously argued in one paragraph that Shinji and Asuka totally have an arcs and become shittier through the story, and then in the very next thought argued that if they had started out as not entirely terrible then it would have been an entirely different story. So which is it, are they static characters and it's the story you claim it is, or are they not static characters and they have an arc?
darkmaster, shut the fuck up. You're being extremely retarded, and now your arguments revolve around willfully misinterpreting things.

Shinji and Asuka start as broken human beings and over the course of the series they are subjected to increasingly alienating situations and have more and more responsibility dumped on them and they lose it even more. They change as human beings, and they become worse. The system tears them down and leaves them broken and catatonic.

It's not a story of well adjusted people getting put through hell and coming out redeemed on the other side. It's a story about an implacable agency crushing the glimmers of hope trying to find purchase in the souls of abused children. You don't have to like it. Heck, a lot of Evangelion is a deliberately excruciating experience. But you do have to stop bitching about bullshit objections that make you look like a fucking idiot.

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Whelp may as well post my standard anime recommendations

First thing no one in this thread has mentioned Puella Magi Madoka Magica, I'm disappointed in you guys. It's a pretty awesome show, to say more would spoil the impact.

I'd also like to recommend the Lyrical Nanoha series, for unique gundam by way of magical girls aesthetic. It has issue with pacing especially in the first and third seasons but it when it's awesome it's really fucking awesome. I recomend watching the first movie which is a higher budget remake of the first season the watching the second season.

Of course moefan that I am I'd like to go over my choice picks from the cuter girls doing cute things genre (which either you like or it puts you to sleep). While there's a new moe show ever season these days I still recommend Hidamari Sketch due to it's likable characters and engaging animation style. Other good picks include Sakura Trick (for the yuri) or Yuyushiki (for the comedy).
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Lord Mistborn wrote:First thing no one in this thread has mentioned Puella Magi Madoka Magica, I'm disappointed in you guys. It's a pretty awesome show, to say more would spoil the impact.
Deanrule fundamentally has the patience of a man with 30 minutes to live, I'd recommend a lot of things, but he's just going to watch the first episode, declare that the entire series is shit because it didn't explain literally everything to him in the first episode, and then move on.

Tons of other things should have been mentioned, like Ghost in a Shell or Wolf's Rain, but you know. Entire 26 episode plot is not explained in first episode, so wasted on deanrule.
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I also recommend Madoka, though I must recommend that you watch at least the first three episodes before rendering judgement on the series.

Also, if you finish it, you should watch the third movie: Rebellion. (the first two are merely recaps of the series).
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I'm sure if the series went long enough we would learn more information about things but the information we have seems arbitrary and nonsensical and I have no reason to believe additional information would not be equally arbitrary. For the answers to a mystery to be satisfying they need to explain unknowns, not add additional unknowns. LOST, or The Prisoner, or Prometheus are the same kind of bullshit. Shows like this never have any real answers. They just have arbitrary answers and then more questions, which are no different from no answers at all. They are Ponzi Schemes of bad writing. Trying to entice each person to buy into the "mystery" that doesn't exist until eventually enough people see through the veil that the ratings flounder and then the show ends abruptly. Because just like a Ponzi Scheme there never was anything in the vault, just promises that things will get even better if you stay one more week.
Okay, so one reason people like anime is that shit almost never happens. Anime is nearly always an adaption of manga, games, or light novels, so by the time they start work on season one it's been pretty well plotted out. When people say the questions will be answered, they're generally not lying. Now, because <Japanese television and anime studio system>, a show with more than one season worth of plot won't necessarily get a second season, but the answers exist.

So, my recommendations:

First, go watch Fullmetal Alchemist and/or Brotherhood. Personally, I prefer Brotherhood. Now, the story with this is that Fullmetal Alchemist first got chosen for an animated adaption before the manga finished, and rather than have it run ahead, go into filler hell, or have a break between seasons, they wrote up a different grand secret. The priest guy in Liore in both of them has what appears to be a Philosopher's Stone, a legendary artifact of perfect and unbreakable material said to permit alchemists to ignore the law of Equivalent Exchange. The truth is complicated.

I'll also back Lyrical Nanoha, although the three or so episodes before the arrival of Fate aren't great. It definitely picks up afterwards, though.

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Fate/Zero: This is actually a prequel to Fate/Stay Night, but I'm told the anime adaptation of that was pretty bad, and Zero was good going into it blind. Seven magi call forth the spirits of legendary heroes to battle for the Holy Grail (not the original Holy Grail, it's a magic cup that grants wishes that they call the Holy Grail). The rules are simple: Don't have magic make the news, and when the Grail manifests one Master/Servant pair can claim it and have a wish granted. Beyond that, anything goes.
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Yuyushiki is very good comedy ^^
Sakura Trick was, aside from the blatant yuri, pretty meh <.<
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I don't believe that darkmaster (and possibly some other people here) doesn't like Evangelion because the action is centered on shitty people: I totally missed the memo where the only worthy stories are the ones about sympathetic protagonists.

Fuck spoilers for a series that will be 20 years old next year: The point of Evangelion is that there is an apocalyptic cult (Seehle) that subcontracts a deranged man (Gendou) to oversee the process of destroying civilization under the guise of protecting it. About the only part both Seehle and Gendou agree with is that when the Unit 01 pilot gets faced with the choice of having humanity dissolving in Tang or not, they pick Tang. Every horrible thing done to the children in the series seems to be part of this end-goal: To get somebody so broken that they'll make a free-will choice to annihilate fucking everything, but also competent enough to, you know, pilot the damn Evas until then.

Is this a horrible story? yes. Is this a badly told story? no. I hope to have made things clearer.

Finally, Ghost in the Shell is my go-to recommendation for "anime to people who hate anime".
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I agree with people recommending Fullmetal Alchemist. I'd recommend Brotherhood over the original, but they're both quite good.

Ghost in the Shell is pretty good overall. I liked Stand Alone Complex etc over the first movie.

Nanoha had a few bad early episodes in the first season, but the later episodes are great and all of season 2 (Nanoha A's) is great. I'm not as huge a fan of the third season, Strikers, but it's not bad.

As far as Fate/Zero goes:

The whole Nasuverse franchise (works by Kinoko Nasu) has a bunch of stuff worth experiencing, and a bunch of stuff not worth experiencing. Fate/Stay Night is one of the best visual novels ever released, but the season of anime adaptation it got was decidedly mediocre - not awful, but not worth taking the time to find and watch IMO. They also released a movie (Unlimited Blade Works) based on one scenario of the visual novel, and while pretty and reasonably well animated the movie makes no sense and is totally unwatchable if you don't already know the plot from playing the visual novel. Fate/Zero spoils a fair bit of the plot of Fate/Stay Night, so if you want to ever read that go do so before seeing Fate/Zero. If you want to just skip Fate/Stay Night and go on to Fate/Zero you can totally do that though. That said, there's going to be an Ufotable remake of the Fate/Stay Night anime adaptation coming soon, and given that studio's current record with Nasu adaptations I have high hopes that it will be good (certainly the PV looks good). So the best course of action might be to just wait until that adaptation comes out (Fall 2014) and start watching then. The light novels by Urobuchi that Fate/Zero was adapted from is not as good as the anime adaptation, so I'd just recommend watching that instead over reading them.

The visual novel Tsukihime is pretty neat in a lot of ways and did a lot of things right, but also did a lot of things wrong - the overall experience has a lot of 10/10 moments and quite a few 1/10 moments (the sex scenes are especially poorly written and I'd recommend using the PC patch that removes them entirely, to be honest). The anime adaptation of it is fucking atrocious and fans pretend it never happened.

Kara No Kyoukai originated as some mediocre light novels. The adaptation to the screen is quite difficult to follow plotwise occasionally, but it is extremely pretty and looks awesome all the time, and has great music and animation. I'd recommend it mostly because one particular segment (Paradox Spiral) that is actually amazing.
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nockermensch wrote:About the only part both Seehle and Gendou agree with is that when the Unit 01 pilot gets faced with the choice of having humanity dissolving in Tang or not, they pick Tang.
For whatever reason, people do seriously argue about the end of NGE, even though it looks a hell of a lot like tangification to me (mind, I haven't watched it in fucking ever, and maybe I am forgetting something or missing something). But EoE's ending is very explicitly a rejection of Instrumentality, so who fucking knows.
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The thing to remember is that Shinji is an audience insert protagonist of the type you often see in kids adventure shows. The guy who is just like them, who they can identify with and whose heroism makes them feel heroic.

But the this is, Shinji isn't the standard audience insert protagonist who has a hero's journey and becomes awesome and saves the day, because Evangelion is not a show that pats its target audience on the back.

Evangelion is explicitly a hate letter to its target audience telling them that they suck.

Shinji is a pathetic broken person because the director is telling the audience that they are pathetic broken people.


And in the End, Shinji rejects instrumentality and decides to try for a relationship with the intimidating real girl who has every reason to hate him instead of having his soul sucked into his giant robot mom's metaphorical and literal uterus forever along with the rest of humanity to live in a fantasy world with a perfectly compliant doll that is devoted to him.

The director is literally telling his audience to grow the fuck up.
darkmaster wrote:Don't- don't recommend School Days to people Shadzar. Okay, so, I'm about to spoil School Days for all of you but I don't care because School Days is fucking horrible and reprehensible.

A high school boy (we'll call him shit stain because I will be fucked if I bother to remember his name) has this girl he likes (we'll call her girl A) but is too shy to approach her so his friend (we'll call her girl B) offers to teach him about girls by allowing him to fuck her, because, you know, that's certainly a reasonable course of action. During the course of their "Special Training time" Girl B discovers that she's really in to shit stain and becomes jealous when he approaches Girl A and inters a relationship with her. However, as shit stain's relationship with Girl A goes on he discovers being in a relationship is more like work and less like fun than he had anticipated and decides it would be easier to just go back to fucking Girl B.

Now, at this point there is a perfectly reasonable way to settle all of this. Go to Girl A and say, "hey, this thing between us, it just isn't working out, I'm sorry, but it's over." He'd still be kind of a shitty guy but what he actually does is to start dating Girl B without telling Girl A anything at all. Much to Girl A's dismay who, upon finding out about this from her friends, who understandably assumed he did that actually sensible thing, slowly begins to go insane.

From here things begin to go down hill, by the end of the series shit stain is a sexual deviant and is sleeping around with like ten different girls which itself wouldn't be entirely irredeemable but he also treats them all like shit but they still become jealous of each other and fight over him. Eventually he decides who he wants to be with and he tells Girl B that Girl A has taken him back to which Girl B responds by murdering him and putting his head in a duffle bag. The end of the series is Girl B sitting on a park bench cradling shit stain's head in her arms.

This is apparently a genre in Japan, with one part of the old love triangle going insane and like destroying the life of the one the object of affection has chosen or murdering them or the object of affection but. I don't know, this show, the entire thing is just so mean spirited and uncomfortable and seeing while shit stain getting stabbed to death with a kitchen knife at the end is certainly satisfying after episode after episode of him being just- the most despicable kind of person. It doesn't make up for how terrible the rest of the show is.
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School Days is actually based off a erotic visual novel. They just happened to decide to go with the bad end for the series, because really what do you expect when someone acts like that? Certainly not a happy ending.

0verflow actually has many visual novels set in the same universe, generally linked together by a single assholish immortal who is a protagonist or antagonist of the games. The School Days protagonist is one of his kids, actually, though the kid doesn't know it.


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Well, the one thing one CAN say about the male main is that he is not such a horribly beta pussy that does not dare to make a move with the girls around him . . like most any other male main in the last seasons of anime.

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nockermensch wrote:I don't believe that some other people here doesn't like Evangelion because the action is centered on shitty people
Nope it is a terrible rip on Christianity motif, with bad story that takes too damn long to get to a point with a harem theme that doesn't belong since there isn't time for that, and then just totally fucked up relationships due to "reasons" related to the Angels and Lilith.

It was a good idea, but done so badly, they have had to retell the story in what, 5 movies now? Every new movie is the same damn story from the series just with a twist here or there.

Hell put a grown up Shinji in charge of Nerv with his protector as his second in command with Asuka gone insane and silent but piloting and Rei be the enemy as it should be.

sadly MANY anime start with a good premise, then like WotC editions of D&D, they fuck up the execution and delivery to where the end result is trash.

I do forgive it for one simple reason. that it is one of those anime's made to back up a print manga to keep attention flowing and was screwed in the conversion. But there is only so much you can forgive when someone screws up that badly!

The characters suck often because the stories suck. many times you can have good character destroyed by a shitty story like say Vampire Princess Miyu. another one that gets drawn out too far before it gets to the REAL port. and by that point I didnt even care anymore.
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If you like light comedy, Kiniro Mosaic is entertaining.

If you like action stuff with an edge of comedy, burst angel... bakkuretsu tenchi in japanese.

Both of those have elements of anime trope in them, but would work just as well if they weren't anime.
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DSMatticus wrote:ITT criticism that is terrible. No, seriously. Let's just gloss over dean's crazy "there are things that happened in the first few episodes I did not have immediate explanations for, fuck this shit" rant and look at darkmaster bitching about NGE, because NGE is a very easy target. What have we got? "NGE is bad because none of the characters are likable." No shit.
NGE is an anime about a bunch of total fucking failures who do not know how to cope with their emotional problems (shit like loneliness and insecurity) being presented with armageddon that happens to come in the form of (almost literal) heaven. The final boss is just the god of Tang offering to absolve them of all responsibility for their fucked up lives and give them the unconditional acceptance of and unity with every human being who has ever lived. Yes, the show's climax is seriously a bunch of fuck-ups trying to decide whether or not they want to just give up on their lives entirely and let Rei hook them up to an IV drip of all their unfulfilled emotional needs OR go back to stumbling through their shitty lives in the hope that one day, after enough struggling and enough failure, they will find a way to make it work.

Shinji and Asuka have to be failures, because the contrast between Instrumentality and a successful life would not be the least bit narratively interesting. Shinji and Asuka have to be cowards, because if perseverance were a part of their characters then giving them the option to give up would not be the least bit narratively interesting. Most of Shinji and Asuka's growth during the series is negative, because you are supposed to be watching them break the fuck down in preparation for the series' conclusion. Also because suffering.

There is a lot to complain about in NGE (especially the execution of the ending, Jesus fucking Christ), but "the characters are all shitty" is just a stupid thing to say. You're missing the point by a mile and a hop.
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Bwuh? Seele is not fighting for humanity's survival. That is a lie. Or maybe a self-delusion. They are fighting to cause Third Impact in a manner they control for their own benefit. Gendo is not fighting for humanity's survival. He's not even fighting for Seele. That is also a lie he tells Seele. He is fighting to cause Third Impact in a manner he controls for his own benefit. No one who knows what's going on at Seele has humanity's wellbeing at heart - they just want to bring about Tangification in a way such that they win. Something. Somehow. It's honestly not that clear.
This is the best argument for "why NGE works and is worth thinking about" that I've ever seen. That's not to say I have not also seen very good arguments for "why NGE doesn't work and shat into the open mouth of everyone who bothered watching it." But DSM does pretty much sum up what makes NGE interesting in the first place.

I also recommend Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell, and Cowboy Bebop - as have others.

Recommendations that are new: Mononoke, not to be confused with Princess Mononoke. Mononoke is a horror series about indescribably fucked-up spirit monsters spawned by the darkness in human hearts (the eponymous Mononoke) and the mysterious wanderer who combats them through bringing the truth of their existence to light.

Psycho-Pass, an investigation/cop show set in a cyberpunk future where everyone's mental health is quantified and monitored by an omniscient computer system at all times. If you like people getting butchered messily and cyberpunk conspiracies, it's worth watching. It's from the same director as Madoka.

I think the Ghost in the Shell movie would be better for someone with no patience than the series, just on the basis that the movie is shorter.
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Ok, update. I've been watching a ton of Cowboy Bebop and it's great. Basically every episode is a hit and I'm now 12 episodes in to the series. Huge success there. One thing, we just met "Ed" and Ed is.....worrying. The first episode that just doesn't work is Ed's episode and from the first bad episode they add a really obnoxious character into the roster which seems like a really terrible choice. Then the next episode is an "Alien" reference which works but attempts to be humorous in ways which don't work and ends with Ed just eating the alien and taking a nap. I am now extremely concerned about where this will go and I find the direction change incredibly baffling. The show seemed to have a perfectly working direction and theme without adding a wacky Jar Jar binks element. I'm gonna watch a couple more and see if we can get some of that old magic back, then one way or the other I'm gonna move on to Bubblegum Crisis then the Ghost in the Shell movie.

Even if Cowboy Bebop becomes an awkward comedy that I no longer really understand I have still enjoyed my time with it, it will be a confusing direction for a thing I liked to take but I'll still come away from this happy I think.
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See it through--there's some wandering but ultimately it remains Spike's show.
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deanruel87 wrote:Even if Cowboy Bebop becomes an awkward comedy...
Oh man I wish I had the heart to spoil it...
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deanruel87 wrote:Ok, update. I've been watching a ton of Cowboy Bebop and it's great. Basically every episode is a hit and I'm now 12 episodes in to the series. Huge success there. One thing, we just met "Ed" and Ed is.....worrying. The first episode that just doesn't work is Ed's episode and from the first bad episode they add a really obnoxious character into the roster which seems like a really terrible choice. Then the next episode is an "Alien" reference which works but attempts to be humorous in ways which don't work and ends with Ed just eating the alien and taking a nap. I am now extremely concerned about where this will go and I find the direction change incredibly baffling. The show seemed to have a perfectly working direction and theme without adding a wacky Jar Jar binks element. I'm gonna watch a couple more and see if we can get some of that old magic back, then one way or the other I'm gonna move on to Bubblegum Crisis then the Ghost in the Shell movie.

Even if Cowboy Bebop becomes an awkward comedy that I no longer really understand I have still enjoyed my time with it, it will be a confusing direction for a thing I liked to take but I'll still come away from this happy I think.
See, this is what I am talking about. You watched 12 episodes of a show. You called it "great" and "basically every episode is a hit."

You watch two episodes you don't like/don't like as much in a series in which clearly the style and tone and genre of the show changes from episode to episode. You respond by deciding to move on to a different show.

The fundamentally insane level of impatience is just weird. If I watch 10 great episodes and one "bad" one and one mediocre one, I don't give up on the remaining 14 episodes just because of that.
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To build on what everyone is saying, finish Cowboy Bebop you whiny bastard. If you've liked it so far, you will want to see it through to the end (particularly because of the final arc), even if there are a couple episodes along the way that you don't care for. No, seriously. If you enjoyed the parts before Ed, odds are very good you will like a considerable portion of the remaining episodes and particularly the last couple of epispdes (I can't remember how many). You would be doing yourself a considerable disservice to stop now.
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Lord Mistborn wrote: Of course moefan that I am I'd like to go over my choice picks from the cuter girls doing cute things genre (which either you like or it puts you to sleep). While there's a new moe show ever season these days I still recommend Hidamari Sketch due to it's likable characters and engaging animation style. Other good picks include Sakura Trick (for the yuri) or Yuyushiki (for the comedy).
You didn't include Kiniro Mosaic in that...
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I think Ed gets a total of like, 20 minutes of screentime in the entire series after... its... first episode.

Finish Cowboy Bebop for fuck's sake.
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Seriously guy, stop going into these shows trying to dislike them, it'll ruin your enjoyment.
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darkmaster wrote:Tgdmb.moe, like the gaming den, but we all yell at eachother about wich lucky star character is the cutest.
Fuck you Haruhi is clearly the best moe anime, and we will argue about how Haruhi and Nagato are OP and um... that girl with blond hair? is for shitters.

If you like Lucky Star then I will explain in great detail why Lucky Star is the a shitty shitty anime for shitty shitty people, and how the characters have no interesting abilities at all, and everything is poorly designed especially the skill challenges.
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