Pathfinder Is Still Bad

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:22 am

Fair, I don't know what standard PF paladins are like, so I couldn't say.

If there's a holy paladinic order of gunslingers, they should definitely have access to lower cost firearms.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:23 am

Is there a Dual Wand Wielder feat in PF (or a feat that does the same thing, with a different name)? You'll forgive me for not combing the database of all 83 trillion feats.

I'm playing a White-Haired Witch, aka Bayonetta, and explained that the MC could get fucked when he suggested I set feats on fire to shoot people with a low-BAB character, but dual-wielding wands of Scorching Ray could work.

Actually, 9K is a bit pricey for a pair of wands to repeatedly shoot people with. I should look for a 1st level RTA that does d6/level and just get it at CL 3-4.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:42 am

Third Party feat- Two-Wand Technique is what you want. Failing that, it appears you'd need to be a 15th level Magus.

Energy Missile does 1d6+1 RTA missiles (1 at 1st, +1/2 CL), so you could do a Blaster of Energy Missile (CL5) that would do 3d6+3, and could hit up to three targets for 1d6+1 each.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:52 am

Awesome, that feat is basically perfect.

And a SL1*CL5 wand is still 3750, so 7500 for a pair. Might be best to just do CL1 Magic Missiles or something.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:00 am

There's also Magic Mace, which is hilariously said to be "as Magic Missile, but d8s instead of d4s." meaning that a CL 3 Magic Mace wand does 2d8+2 autohit for 2250 ea, or 4500 for two.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:34 am

Well, it also states it is touch range, but still...

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:20 am

Oh, I just looked at the text, damn.

However, for sheer hilarity, there's Damage Loins. 2nd level, no attack roll, Fort negates, 1d6 untyped/2 CL plus sickened for 1d4 rounds. You could have Blasters of Nut Shot.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:28 am

When casting from a wand, you don't use spells that allow saving throws, because it assumes the ability score is "the minimum needed to cast the spell". So for the same cost as the "Hits: yes, 4d6 damage" of Scorching Ray you get "1d6 damage, Fort DC 13 negates" (CL 3).

That's why Wands of Sleep are actually worthless: you get 50 charges of "DC 11 to negate".

Honestly, dedicated Abuse Magic Device classes should get a class feature where they use their own emulated CL and ability score for all aspects of all activated items.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:32 am

I am an Aranea sorcerer with high dexterity who likes to fight in melee. Here's a spell excerpt:

You call up elemental energy, which infuses your hands.
Choose an energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You
gain a melee touch attack that deals 1d6 hp per 2 caster
levels of that energy type (maximum 5d6), along with a
special effect described below.
You deal this energy damage and the related special
effect when you attack with an unarmed strike, a single
claw, a bite, or a single slam attack. This bonus damage
applies to multiple weapons.

My interpretation of this is that if I make a full attack (BAB +6), I can strike twice with a cestus, and once with my bite, adding damage and status effect saves from Hands of the Djinn with each of the three attacks. Does that sound legal?

If I was using a Wizard Hook, how would that interact with the melee touch attack I am granted in the first paragraph of the spell? Can I make two touch attacks in my full attack using the Wizard Hook, or do I have to make real attacks and hope I beat normal AC?

EDIT:

Koumei wrote:When casting from a wand, you don't use spells that allow saving throws, because it assumes the ability score is "the minimum needed to cast the spell". So for the same cost as the "Hits: yes, 4d6 damage" of Scorching Ray you get "1d6 damage, Fort DC 13 negates" (CL 3).

That's why Wands of Sleep are actually worthless: you get 50 charges of "DC 11 to negate".

Honestly, dedicated Abuse Magic Device classes should get a class feature where they use their own emulated CL and ability score for all aspects of all activated items.

There are some options. Here's a wizard-only one
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-cl ... -like-wand

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:48 am

Hm, that's a good point.

Well, looking through the spell filter, I think one of those, Magic Missile, or just a low CL Scorching Ray is your best option.

TiaC · Post by **TiaC** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:25 am

Snowball seems like what you want.

For a melee touch, I'd recommend Frostbite instead. It's melee for 1d6+(1/level) noleathal, but you get one touch per level.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:30 pm

...in other news, d20pfsrd's spell filter tools don't work so great.

fectin · Post by **fectin** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:48 pm

I'm gonna leave this here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/se ... ok-of-folk

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:04 pm

Stop giving that thing publicity.

zugschef · Post by **zugschef** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:07 pm

That artwork is atrocious.

John Magnum · Post by **John Magnum** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:21 pm

Why does that need a Kickstarter at all?

SKR wrote:The writing of the book is almost finished and parts of it are already in the hands of the editors. The text will be edited by the end of the funding period.
The cover and interior art for the book are done (and I've already cleared the artist's schedule for any additional art pieces from high-tier rewards).

So if the book is done, why isn't it just going on some POD site or PDF store? What is the money actually being spent on? There's some stuff, like okay excess money gets spent on their artist to do color illustrations, but what's the first $2700 for?

Covent · Post by **Covent** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:00 pm

John Magnum wrote:Why does that need a Kickstarter at all?

SKR wrote:The writing of the book is almost finished and parts of it are already in the hands of the editors. The text will be edited by the end of the funding period.
The cover and interior art for the book are done (and I've already cleared the artist's schedule for any additional art pieces from high-tier rewards).
So if the book is done, why isn't it just going on some POD site or PDF store? What is the money actually being spent on? There's some stuff, like okay excess money gets spent on their artist to do color illustrations, but what's the first $2700 for?

2700$ = Kitty Fund

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:05 pm

John Magnum wrote:Why does that need a Kickstarter at all?

SKR wrote:The writing of the book is almost finished and parts of it are already in the hands of the editors. The text will be edited by the end of the funding period.
The cover and interior art for the book are done (and I've already cleared the artist's schedule for any additional art pieces from high-tier rewards).
So if the book is done, why isn't it just going on some POD site or PDF store? What is the money actually being spent on? There's some stuff, like okay excess money gets spent on their artist to do color illustrations, but what's the first $2700 for?

Its the usual shit to take advantage of people who don't really grasp kick starters. And probably also alters the terms of the deal with a potential publisher: having a pile of money go to him rather than them in advance of publication could have a profound impact on the terms of the printing deal.

K · Post by K » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:08 pm

Kickstarters are used strictly for promotion by about half of them these days. It's just another way to generate buzz.

Still, it's nice to know that SKR is a tone-deaf hack even when he works on vanity projects. That product has no redeeming features at all.

Axebird · Post by **Axebird** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:27 pm

Not only is the product utterly pointless- it's literally about mechanics that nobody other than the GM will ever, ever see- most of the stuff it sets out to do can already be done with spells in the core rulebook.

Ganbare Gincun · Post by **Ganbare Gincun** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:45 am

K wrote:Kickstarters are used strictly for promotion by about half of them these days. It's just another way to generate buzz.

Still, it's nice to know that SKR is a tone-deaf hack even when he works on vanity projects. That product has no redeeming features at all.

It already has $4,000 pledged with 20 days left to go, so I guess the joke is on us. Who knew that there was such a demand for a book of hedge magic?

And what's this about a cat? (?)

Covent · Post by **Covent** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:47 am

Google Sick Kitty and SKR

Leress · Post by **Leress** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:56 am

Axebird wrote:Not only is the product utterly pointless- it's literally about mechanics that nobody other than the GM will ever, ever see- most of the stuff it sets out to do can already be done with spells in the core rulebook.

Speaking of SKR and pointless products:

http://www.seankreynolds.com/skrg/products/016CCR/

Ganbare Gincun · Post by **Ganbare Gincun** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:59 am

Covent wrote:Google Sick Kitty and SKR

That must have been one sick-ass cat. Hope he's (she?) is doing ok.

Rawbeard · Post by **Rawbeard** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:03 am

Covent wrote:Google Sick Kitty and SKR

I rolled a nat 1 and got "Avril Lavigne Gets A Skrillex Haircut And Struggles With EDM In “Hello Kitty”". What the....