[4e... i know] Rule call

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:12 am

My DM is running 4e, what ever the people are fun.

ANYway, I was wondering if I could technically pull some melee cheese would be allowable.

Here goes... I play a runepriest. Most of his powers only do anything when I act against a tarrget. I primarily use a triple headed flail. Would I technically be able to "flail wildly" at an enemy who is out of range just so that creature is subject to my debuff? The debuff just says I need a target, not a successful hit.

Or is that pushing the limit?

Would I be better off just chucking some gravel?

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:56 am

You can ask if you can use the uneratta'd Aid Another action which just required you to hit AC10 I think.

... yeah I wanted to do that with my Bladesinger whose powers activate as riders to hitting stuff.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:10 am

In a fun 4e game, there's probably some handwavium going on. I recommend bringing the idea up with your group first, see how they react.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:21 am

What exactly makes a runepriest different from a cleric btw?

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:29 am

I just really liked the fluff of runepriests.
Aside from that, they're sort of like battle clerics, with passive buffs and debuffs to party members and enemies who are near you, depending on what rune state and powers you're using. You have an obligatory heal-type move or two, but you're definitely suppose to be on or near the front line mixing it up and smackin fools around.

I was really hoping to find a 3.x treatment of the class. But I'm not sure it'd translate well.

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:35 am

Avoraciopoctules wrote:In a fun 4e game, there's probably some handwavium going on. I recommend bringing the idea up with your group first, see how they react.

Yea, the dm allowed it unless we could find anything strongly contradicting it in the rules. So in light of not really wanting to push the 'meaning of is', I decided to start chucking gravel.

tussock · Post by **tussock** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:51 pm

4e PHB, 270 wrote:A melee attack usually uses a weapon and targets one enemy within your melee reach (your reach is usually determined by the weapon you’re wielding).

There's stuff like that for all the attacks. Ranged attacks need a power or weapon that can make a ranged attack, and the target needs to be within range. You can't target someone without actually making an attack, because a target is defined by the attack you're making. P219 says Improvised ranged weapons (rocks, etc) do 1d4 damage with range 5/10.

So, uh, have some pitiful damage with your gravel, on me.

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:36 pm

tussock wrote:So, uh, have some pitiful damage with your gravel, on me.

Haha, thanks. xD I need to get a ranged weapon or polearm when we get back to town.

sake · Post by **sake** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:19 am

OgreBattle wrote:What exactly makes a runepriest different from a cleric btw?

they lack the three+ years of updates, new options, band-aid feat fixes and support the cleric got (also the three+ years of nerfs, but since the Runepriest was weak to start with that really doesn't help much).

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:18 pm

Rule part deux

I'm vice-DM for a friend's campaign, to help out because the group is so large.
He runs 4e, and I created a few hot-seat callings last night.

1. Is there any drawback to declaring "daily" powers as "scene" powers instead?

Scenes being different from encounters in this way...

* Encounters are individual skirmishes, whether during a longer pitched battle or... not.

* Scenes are basically the encounters surrounding, or leading up to, boss/sub-boss/major, encounters.

So, basically, just codifying auto-refresh of a party's powers between say... traversing an empty warehouse to weaving through a cave system to a battle taking place outside.

Often times that'd take place over multiple sessions anyway, and DMs in my experience just handwave and say to start fresh. But this would be our way of handwaving for a refresh if the aprty manages to cram in more than one scene per session.

2. Using Action Points to auto-hit with daily/scene powers. Or auto-hitting after a failure.

A major power fizzling out and doing jack shit pisses me off... so I used that as a way to speed up an encounter last night.

Is there a good reason to not keep doing that?

Archmage · Post by **Archmage** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:10 pm

Encounters will end faster.

Since you're playing 4e, I would consider that unequivocally a good thing.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:50 pm

OgreBattle wrote:What exactly makes a runepriest different from a cleric btw?

Mechanically, out-of-the-box runepriests are better than out-of-the-box clerics. So if you're only allowed to play with one or two sourcebooks (which I've never seen happen in an actual 4E D&D game, because lol Character Generation) the Runepriest is much better than any other cleric but unerrata'd Pacifist Healmaster clerics.

As far as other leaders go, Runepriests don't have killer-apps like Warlords and Laser Clerics (using the full 4E D&D arsenal) but they do all right. They have some very boss At-Wills, Dailies, and passive powers -- making them a prime target for Hybrid Classing. I think the strongest Runepriests are those that Hybrid Class with Clerics or Warlords, in fact.

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:06 am

@Archmage, speed was definitely a reason for the change.