Dumb rules question regarding enhancement bonuses and armor.

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Sat May 23, 2009 3:32 am

Frank -- Suggesting, once, that something may not be the most productive thing to discuss is censorship?

Hell, I've censored PR and Roy dozens of times by that rubric.

Draco -- you do know that Crissa actually *does* have a horse fetish, right? It was in her avatar and everything, not to mention her pokemon porn links.

Draco_Argentum · Post by **Draco_Argentum** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:54 am

Boolean wrote:Frank -- Suggesting, once, that something may not be the most productive thing to discuss is censorship?

Hell, I've censored PR and Roy dozens of times by that rubric.

Actually I'm just suggesting it not be discussed here, theres a whole internet that I have neither the ability nor the desire to control. Someone can go start a kkatsucks.com if they really want.

I assume Frank wouldn't bring up Kkat if we met in person, just like I wouldn't go nagging him to apologise to her. Or her to him for that matter. I asked that Frank extend that to TGD. His contention is that I'm not here, so anything he posts isn't being said to me. I of course disagree, posting here is a lot like putting signs up where I work at midnight. Sure I'm not there when you put the signs up, but you know damn well I'll read them.

Draco -- you do know that Crissa actually *does* have a horse fetish, right? It was in her avatar and everything, not to mention her pokemon porn links.

That quote was directed at PhoneLobster and as far as I know PL doesn't want to sex a horse. I doubt Crissa wants to either but thats not really relevant.

Kaelik, replace praise with 'agree with' if you want, I consider the two to be the same. Being right is good, being told you're right is an excellent feeling. Also, I'm not dissing PR for agreeing with Frank, Aubrey totally said gold is intrinsically valuable because it is rare and portable. in D&D land thats laughable.

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:07 am

My avatar still has horsie bits. And I was under the impression that this wasn't a place to harp on old arguments from elsewhere.

Kkat was not popular in my book, either. And it really felt like this person I was playing with was her again...

-Crissa

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:57 am

Draco_Argentum wrote:Kaelik, replace praise with 'agree with' if you want, I consider the two to be the same. Being right is good, being told you're right is an excellent feeling. Also, I'm not dissing PR for agreeing with Frank, Aubrey totally said gold is intrinsically valuable because it is rare and portable. in D&D land thats laughable.

My point is that Frank probably didn't post that to get someone to agree. He just posted it to make a point about how people hate him.

I still blame frank for this whole thing because he should have read your first paragraph/sentence in the first post about kkat better. But that doesn't make him an approval troll.

Also. I would phrase Aubrey dumshittedness as being that he claimed the problem with the Wish economy is that it doesn't take into account supply and demand, when the whole point is that it actually recognizes that for anyone over level 11, the supply of gold is infinite, and therefore no matter what the demand is, it's less then the supply, and not worth shit.

But there are lots of ways to talk about Aubrey's stupidity. And it's a much better topic then whether or not kkat is offensive. Especially since I never hung out at nifty.

Amra · Post by **Amra** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:42 pm

On the original topic (heaven forbid) because a) I'm interested in it and b) I'm going to try to abuse what I learn here in-game, I believe Bracers of Armor to be mis-priced.

They are not priced as items that grant an Armor bonus (because there doesn't seem to be any such category, oddly), they're priced at the level of Armor enhancement bonuses, hence the crazy cost.

The rule we're using in my gaming group at the moment is this: Bracers of Armor exist at the listed price, but they provide an enhancement bonus to any armor (or clothes) you're wearing, not an armor bonus. We're allowing Wondrous Items of Armor to be made at the listed creation costs for the relevant spells: 2,000gp for a +4 item, 30,000gp for +6 (yeah, it's steep but that's the way the formula goes). If you had Bracers of Armor as well, these would stack.

Mind you, we're also allowing combining the shield spell as per the rules on item creation, meaning that an amulet that gives +4 armor bonus and +4 shield bonus only costs 4,000gp. This may yet prove unbalancing, but we'll see. Personally I don't reckon it'll matter worth a damn beyond about 7th level.