Can't that be judged by the results of your actions? The fact that you can kill people with words is not any kind of argument in favor of curtailing the 1st amendment.Frank wrote:Even the 1st Amendment isn't as clear as we'd hope. Telling people that rat poison is sweetener is clearly an attempted murder rather than free expression. But where does the line go?
You have a right to speak, until you use that right to kill people. You have a right to carry a gun, until you use it to kill people. What you can't do is say, "this person might use his rights to kill people" and use that as an argument for limiting them. You punish people AFTER they do things wrong. Until then, people are presumed innocent, and you trust them not to abuse their rights.
We need to come to a compromise, or we don't have a system of laws. When in doubt, the Constitution (like all laws) should be interpreted as narrowly as possible. Anything else is just giving government a bucketful of power along with the authority to use violence to enforce its will and saying, "hey, do whatever".And if we can't even agree on what the Constitution does say, do you really think we could get everyone to agree on what it should say?
I can understand and accept judicial review, within reason (more on this in a bit). I don't agree that any amendment or clause is so vague it can mean anything. English is an actual language with actual meanings, and there are some things amendments and clauses actually CAN'T mean.K wrote:So we know that any actual amendment or clause is so vague it can mean anything. What we do have is a series of cases where the court has come up with various tests to determine if something is "constitutional" or "non-constitutional" and then come down on the merits of the case.
I can agree with this fully.I mean, the laws that protect you also protect child molesters, and the court has to decide if protecting you is more important that getting those guys in a way politicians never will (they will always be on the side of "tough on crime", regardless of the freedoms they remove from the rest of us).
And this is the problem sometimes with case law precedent...there are bad precedents as well as good ones (someone already mentioned Dred Scott). If the courts ignore something long enough, it becomes de facto "okay", even if it's blatant bullshit.Also, they are often bound by precedent and can't override that without overwhelming reasons. This is why corporations are now allowed unlimited ability to donate to political causes.... something which we might see as a terrible undermining of democracy, but you need to blame the case law that has consistently come down on the side of the corps over the people.
For example: how come despite all Supreme Court precedent coming down on the side of an individual right to bear arms (including Nunn v. State of Georgia, which struck down a handgun ban), state legislatures have passed plenty of laws going against this, including handgun bans, and courts haven't overturned them? Hell, until the Heller decision, most lower court precedent seemed to support anti-gun laws. And then all of a sudden, the Supreme Court issues the new decision and overturns all that precedent.
So, what were the overwhelming reasons for ignoring the Nunn decision? What were the overwhelming reasons for deciding Heller? Am I misunderstanding the situation?