Princess wrote:You mean that many RPG players have personal experience with rape?
Yes, trivially and obviously yes. 1 in 3-4 women report being raped.
If you don't know anyone who has been raped, then you actually know tons of people who have been raped, they just don't talk about it. So don't put it in your games.
Shady314 wrote:Omegonthesane wrote:
Current statistics will significantly underestimate rape, because only a fraction of victims come forward and not all of those are believed. Murders, by contrast, leave an undeniable Dead Person.
Even if they are not believed I am pretty sure they are still counted. Those statistics are supposed to be derived from rape accusations brought to the police not convictions. Unless it is common for police to dismiss the victim so thoroughly they don't even file a report?
If you want to make this argument then you also have to take into account false accusations (not common but does happen) and the shocking amount of missing persons per year. Some of those are murder victims whose bodies were never found. There's no way to be absolutely certain just how underreported rape is any more than we can know how many missing persons are actually dead. So while it's true statistics aren't perfect that doesn't mean the numbers are meaningless.
Uh... Is it even possible for people to know this little about rape crimes? Yes, of course the police discourage reports, because they hate investigating rape crimes for any number of reasons misogyny, rape culture (for example, believing false reports are even actually a thing that really happens on any noticeable level, believing she was asking for it, ect.), the complete inability to investigate and prosecute many such reports, just being lazy, ect.
Also, the number of crimes committed statistics almost certainly does not include rape reports, because if nothing comes from a report, then they don't "know" that a crime happened. Even if they really do.
It doesn't matter that we can't know exactly how under reported rape is, because even the most conservative estimates make it way more prevalent than murder, and even on top of that even if we hypothetically assumed that only one person in the entire universe had ever been raped, there is still an infinitely greater chance that a person at your gaming table has been raped than that they have been murdered. You can say, "what about attempted murder" and I can say "what about sexual assault" and you can be just as wrong about statistics all over again.
Prak wrote:I'm saying that "allowing the soldiers to make their own hateful decision is better than choosing abhorrent action for your own part" because it leads to less suffering.
That is not utilitarianism. You can be a not utilitarian if you want, but asserting that choosing an "abhorrent" action for yourself is always worse than not doing so is not utilitarianism.
In hypothetical Rape or the victim gets murdered cases, rape is the utilitarian action, just like in hypothetical trolley problems you should push some guy under the wheels, even though we have many good reasons to believe that in almost all cases the real world differs from those.
Having personally spoken to multiple rape victims, I have heard many people say they wished they were dead immediately after, and every single one of those has been glad they didn't die years later. Anecdotes are anecdotes, but it is probably better to be raped than murdered.