Fixing Metamagic

RadiantPhoenix · Post by **RadiantPhoenix** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:34 am

Seerow wrote:And there's the disconnect. If you legitimately think that spellcasters in D&D are not already overpowered, there's literally nothing to discuss here.

What this system does is take a class that already has a shitton of utility, and adds more utility and flexibility to that, for free. This is not something the game needs at all, and I can't believe this is a point I you even seem to think I need to bother elaborating on.

Question: Are you basing this on WotC 3e, or Tome?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:34 am

It's material for Tome game. Get back when you know what that actually is.

Seerow · Post by **Seerow** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:36 am

In either 3e or Tome, Wizards are still the baddest characters on the block, others just don't suck quite so badly. There is still no justification for going back and powering wizards up further.

Vnonymous · Post by **Vnonymous** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:22 am

That's completely wrong. Fighters are ahead of wizards in Tome, and I think a few of the other martial classes can make them look small in the pants as well.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:29 am

I actually think Barbarians are far more powerful than Fighters (or pretty much anything else, really) in Tome, since they do fucktons of damage and are basically immune to everything by 9th level or so.

Josh_Kablack · Post by **Josh_Kablack** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:04 am

Well class balance arguments aside, the point is that many core metamagic feats are just not worth taking and/or using higher level spells to cast metamagicked spells is often not worth doing. And if casters can pick caster-friendly Tome [Combat] feats that like Blind-Fighting, Zen Archery, or caster-friendly Tome [Skill] feats like Magical Aptitude or Combat Casting, then they are never going to pick things like core Maximize Spell or Silent Spell - so those feats need to either be removed from the game for the sake of simplicity or made into legitimate options for casters to take.

Now giving casters more legitimate options could very well be a powerup - but it doesn't have to be. The number of feats any individual character can take is still pretty limited, and if all available feats are more-or-less equal and the stacking synergies between feats are kept within a reasonable range, then bringing subpar feats up to par only opens up additional playable options for each individual haracter of a given class, without making such characters overall more powerful.