Grappling Ghosts

[virgil]

Creatures with the incorporeal subtype have a strength score of (-), and can still be influenced by physical attacks 50% of the time when magical or 100% of the time when Ghost Touched. What happens when you use this moment of tangibility with them to perform an opposed strength check, such as bullrushing or grappling? Am I missing something that prevents people from actually doing such, or are people with Ghost Touch fists able to grapple ghosts without a chance of resistance?

[SphereOfFeetMan]

Incorporeal creatures cannot make trip or grapple attacks, nor can they be tripped or grappled. In fact, they cannot take any physical action that would move or manipulate an opponent or its equipment, nor are they subject to such actions.

The second sentence seems to include Bull rushes.

Ghost Touch is a specific ability. It allows you to damage incorporeal foes 100% of the time, for incorporeal foes to move the weapon, and for them to attack with it. There is nothing there that allows you to override the incorporeal immunities.

[Crissa]

Not all incorporeal creatures have a - for strength. Many have an original strength score which can be applied one ghost to another - just not on tangible objects.

-Crissa