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So at the request of some people in the company who didn't want to be marked as whistle blowers themselves, I posted the following at Dumpshock, here
FrankTrollman wrote:OK, as you may well have been able to surmise from release schedules, Catalyst Game Labs is in a bit of a financial pickle, and it is somewhat unlikely that they will retain the license to make Shadowrun products. This is not because Shadowrun hasn't been selling enough to cover expenses, but merely because a significant quantity of money is missing outright. Reliable sources put this figure at roughly $850,000. Which sounds like a lot, and it is. It is roughly 40% of Catalyst's entire sales for last year, missing over a three year period. There will of course be lawsuits, and there are already people drawing up legal documents accusing Loren Coleman of having hired people to construct an extension on his house through the company as "freelance writers" and somehow reporting an estimated $100,000 of convention sales as $6,000. Whether that is actually true or not is - of course - a matter for the courts to decide. And decide they presumably will.

But what that means for Catalyst as a company is pretty bad. It costs several dollars to print a book even when the pdfs are finished and ready for publication. A print run of say, 50,000 books (like the print run of Runner Havens) would cost somewhere between $150,000 and $250,000 to print and ship to distributors. And while it eventually sold to distributors at ~$15 a book (a total take home of $750,000), it did so over a period of three years, during which time they were paying interest on loans and paying for storage, and advertisement and so on and so forth. A book like that isn't actually taking home half a million in profits. Which is a bad thing, because it means that even if there was a complete book printed and ready to sell, even a total and rapid sell through would not pull the company out of the financial hole it is in - and the shortfall means that it does not have the cash on hand to start the ball rolling with a new major printing.

The tiny amount of drachmas that are left in the coffers are being used to print up tiny print runs of books that have sold through - another 3,000 books of Runner's Companion for example (~$15,000 to start up, maybe $30-40k towards paying creditors if it sells out). There simply is not the startup cash to bring upcoming books like the SR4 sixth world almanac or corporate guide forward. The writing is there, but the printing costs are not. Beyond that, the freelancers have not been paid, and some of them are withholding copyright until they are - meaning that even a tiny print run of these new materials is simply not possible.

Many SR writers are quitting, have already quit, or have handed in notices contingent on demands which - word on the street - will not be met. And CGL does not even own Shadowrun, it leases the intellectual property from Topps. It seems unlikely that they will be able to make their licensing payment when the contract comes up for renewal - in a couple of months. At that time, CGL will cease being able to print Shadowrun or Battletech materials (they would presumably keep the license to Cthulhutech and Eclipse Phase for at least a little while longer, because those are separate contracts).

So what does this mean for the future of Shadowrun? It probably means that someone else will create a company and start making Shadowrun again. After all, freelancers work for very little, and a well selling book can bring in tens of thousands of dollars in profits. $850,000 of embezzlement is seemingly enough to sink the company (whoever ended up with the credsticks), but I must point out that there was indeed eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars to steal, so Shadowrun is not - as a concept - insoluble. And I also point out that something similar happened to Shadowrun before. Indeed, twice before, as both FanPro and FASA before it collapsed under the weight of people not paying debts and having bags with dollar bill signs vanish mysteriously in the middle of the night. It's somewhat... poetic considering the subject matter of the game itself.

It is entirely probable indeed that when a new company comes to take the licence, many familiar faces will appear in the new company as if they had never left. Certainly back when FanPro collapsed back when I was working for the company, I simply started working for the new company as if nothing had changed. This happened back when FASA collapsed as well - those members of the team that were not extracted by Microsoft simply started turning in writing assignments to the new boss.

And yeah, I regularly go on shadowruns against Catalyst to find out what new releases are in store. Don't you?

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CGL responded within a few hours. Here was their press release:
CGL wrote:Catalyst Game Labs recently completed a detailed financial review of the company. We learned that over the past several years the company has achieved dramatic growth in terms of demand, increased total revenues and strong sales with an increasing market share in the gaming industry, despite a lackluster economy. We are thrilled by that news and are eager to move forward with our upcoming original game Leviathans, along with our other new casual games. We also remain committed to plans for our beloved licensed games: Shadowrun, BattleTech, Eclipse Phase, and CthuluTech.

While we wish the review had only uncovered positive news, we also discovered our accounting procedures had not been updated as the company continued to grow. The result was that business funds had been co-mingled with the personal funds of one of the owners. We believe the missing funds were the result of bad habits that began alongside the creation of the company, which was initially a small hobby group. Upon further investigation, in which the owner has willingly participated, the owner in question now owes the company a significant balance and is working to help rectify the situation.

The current group of owners was presented with this information on Monday. Administrative organization for the company is under review, and accounting procedures have been restructured, to correct the situation and provide more stringent oversight. We feel the management team at Catalyst did the responsible thing by seeking this financial review and we will continue to restructure as needed. We are in discussions with our partners and freelancers to remedy any back payments that may also be due as a result of this review.

We are embarrassed that this situation did occur but we hope our eagerness to make these changes, along with our reputation for making great games, will encourage you to stand by us. We understand that for a few employees the news was too stressful and we wish them all the best in their new endeavors. However, the majority of the team remains and will continue to bring great entertainment to you all. We appreciate the support our friends, freelancers, and fans have provided us in the past and look forward to a successful future.
So what does that say? It says that they straight up admitted in print that Loren Coleman embezzled over three quarters of a million dollars over the last three years. Their assessment is shinier for the company's future than mine is. But then, it's a company damage control press release, and I am an unabashed fucker - so if that wasn't true I would be checking my water supply for hallucinogens.

The only substantial claims that they make that are different from my initial assessment of the situation is that they are at least publicly claiming that they are going to attempt to get the money back from Mr. Coleman; and they are claiming that they are going to find the money to pay for the licenses, pay their outstanding freelancer bills, and keep producing material. If they could get something over half a million dollars back from Coleman in the next two months, I suspect that they could do these things. Half a million dollars goes a long way. I don't see how that is possible, since as far as I can tell the embezzled funds have already been spent.

Many of the people who work there have jumped ship. Adam Jury and Jennifer Harding announced that they had resigned over "ethical issues" within minutes of me spilling the beans. I acknowledge that those people are replaceable, but the point is that having to replace key personnel while the company is on already shaky financial grounds is yet more straw on the camel.

I persist in my belief that the most likely end result is that within the next few months, a new company will have the rights to Shadowrun, and that many of the people who worked for CGL in one capacity or another will go to the new company. It has been brought to my attention that these days, the micro-print runs of 3-5 thousand books are standard for Catalyst. And have been for a couple of years. Given the harsh lessons of Runner Havens, I totally agree with the logic. Most likely, publishing in general is moving towards smaller print runs more often rather than the large and infrequent print runs of the past.

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That's not good. Given that SR4 stands as a complete, playable edition I'm not going to cry. Sucks for the people who put their lives into this, though.
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Eclipse Phase is owned by Posthuman Studios (Adam Jury and company) and CthulhuTech by Wildfire LLC so even if Catalyst tanks those properties will go to other production houses. Delays but that's nothing new.

If I read one more comment about Shadowrun ending up in WotC's hands I'm going to punch someone in the throat.

My prediction is that SR's Corporate Guide and Sixth World Almanac (along with the two remaining Dawn of the Artifacts adventures) will go to print (or at least see PDF form) and then that will probably be it for Catalyst as SR's producer. Who Topps would license the property to, I have no guess. I think it would either be a start-up company or a company like Fantasy Flight, who is currently publishing the Warhammer 40K and Rogue Trader RPGs. I think they would be the only ones who could afford the licensing fees.

I'm obviously so incredibly jaded that when I saw the word "embezzlement" I thought, "Who steals money from a fucking games company? The six person department at my company makes more than Catalyst does in a year and we watch even cent."
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Shiiiiiit. Battletech is my favourite property, I've only recently convinced my FLGS that it is still being made, now this shit happens. What type of dick steals from a game company? It's not like Catalyst is some huge faceless corporation, it's less than a dozen people. If Coleman did steal then he stole from people he knew, and people he knew didn't have a lot of money.
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Wesley Street wrote: I'm obviously so incredibly jaded that when I saw the word "embezzlement" I thought, "Who steals money from a fucking games company? The six person department at my company makes more than Catalyst does in a year and we watch even cent."
Yes, I'm also flabbergasted that one could remove even $50,000 from a non-Hasbro RPG company without it being incredibly obvious.
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That is a load of fucking bullshit. That's one of the worst things that I have ever heard, gaming-wise.

If Loren Coleman really did all that, and it sounds like he did, I hope he gets exactly what's coming to him. I mean, I'd be satisfied with Mike Mearls just not working in the TT RPG industry any more (I don't even care if he's some CEO of some ultra-profitable corporation) but I want to see who's responsible for this working on Highway cleanup.
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That's some serious shit.

Am I right in assuming the mention of this in Ends of the Matrix is what led to some acquaintances asking you to put that on Dumpshock?
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Out of idle curiosity, what good books has CGL published aside from Arsenal, Augmentation, and Street Magic? Because I am seriously not going to miss their Cthulhutech shit.
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They published a few good Battletech books. Tactical Operations and Strategic Operations where bloated but still had some decent content. They also released the TR:3075, their are some interesting designs in there.
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If Catalyst could win in court against Coleman, which it sounds like they could, there's a chance they could recover most of the money. There's a lot of things that could go wrong, of course, with number one being the possibility that the money is already gone, but if they could prove fraud they'd be in decent shape.

Anyway, Shadowrun will return, somewhere, somehow.
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I think it would be best for everyone if we discarded the notion that embezzlement shouldn't be as considered of a bad crime as burglary/larceny/robbery.

Embezzlers should get the same kind of punishments other thieves get. This is ridicuous.
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In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
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It's pretty easy to blow throw cash if it's going to the wrong bank accounts. Heck, I just accidentally spent $5K fixing a $400 water heater. It's crazy how easy it is to do that.

Still, I don't know which old FASA franchise is the most cursed.

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Lago PARANOIA wrote:I think it would be best for everyone if we discarded the notion that embezzlement shouldn't be as considered of a bad crime as burglary/larceny/robbery.

Embezzlers should get the same kind of punishments other thieves get. This is ridicuous.
Yeah, but embezzlement's something rich people do. Burglars are usually poor, so you throw the book at them, but to embezzle you've gotta have power, and embezzlements like this one only hurt people with less power/wealth than the criminal, hardly people at all.

I mean, really, are you suggesting that the laws treat crimes usually committed by rich people the same as poor people's crimes? Next you'll be saying that the laws should treat crack and powder cocaine the same.
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Gelare wrote:If Catalyst could win in court against Coleman, which it sounds like they could, there's a chance they could recover most of the money. There's a lot of things that could go wrong, of course, with number one being the possibility that the money is already gone, but if they could prove fraud they'd be in decent shape.

Anyway, Shadowrun will return, somewhere, somehow.
The problem is that Catalyst's licenses from Topps come up in two months. If they can't recover their money by June, they'd be better off making a new company and transferring the license to it.

I have no doubt that Shadowrun will continue to exist. But when they kicked Jennifer up to doing the finances, and she did an audit and then quit - chances are that Catalyst is not going to be able to get its house in order in time to renew the licenses. And remember: Catalyst doesn't actually own anything except contracts. If those contracts lapse, the company essentially ceases to exist and another company takes the reigns - and likely many of the personnel.

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Lago PARANOIA wrote:Embezzlers should get the same kind of punishments other thieves get. This is ridicuous.
There was a Batman story where an embezzler pleads insanity and gets sent to Arkham. The Joker congratulates him on being the worst person in there.

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Is this the same situation which resulted in the demise of FanPro or were they simply being disagreeable Germans?
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FrankTrollman wrote:The problem is that Catalyst's licenses from Topps come up in two months. If they can't recover their money by June, they'd be better off making a new company and transferring the license to it.
That's probably true. I was throwing around the idea of Catalyst getting a loan to hold out until they can recover the money, but then I thought, "Hmm, if I were a banker, how would I feel about loaning money to a company embroiled in embezzlement litigation?" So yeah, bankruptcy and making a new company (or joining up with an existing one) is probably the way to go. I just hope someone sticks around who has standing to sue Coleman.


Also, guys, I don't know what you're talking about: I do consider embezzlement as bad of a crime as theft. Not as bad as armed robbery, but definitely as bad as theft.
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Akula wrote:Out of idle curiosity, what good books has CGL published aside from Arsenal, Augmentation, and Street Magic? Because I am seriously not going to miss their Cthulhutech shit.
Other than BattleTech? Nothing. Everything else that has the Catalyst logo on it is a joint venture where Catalyst simply acts as publisher.
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Comedy gold. So I gave my permanent sign off to Dumpshock:
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Of course not.

Recall that I did not storm out and give Dumpshock the finger. The mods gave me the finger and told me in no uncertain terms that they did not want me here. As you can see Here, Bull made it quite clear that he did not want me posting analysis of things whether I was insulting anyone or not. Yes, I got my account suspended for, in a "General Gaming" discussion about 4e D&D, explaining that Rogue/Wizard was not a supported archetype - which is even design intent according to the makers of that game (as Rogue and Wizard are different "roles," have different primary and secondary stats, and mandatorily use different implements). That suspension came with an exceedingly unpleasant PM from Bull. I quit the board completely, and when I came back to drop a link to the fan-made Shadowrun board game that I was distributing for free at he time, I was again sent a load of nasty grams from the mods about how they would be "watching me closely" and that if I did anything even slightly provocative that they would ban me permanently. There is, explicitly and by design - no place for me on Dumpshock.

Which of course is why I was selected to come forward about the monetary irregularities. It was, and still is, figured that whoever came forward would have a very real chance of having their account banned, of being lambasted as a traitor, of never being trusted to write for Shadowrun again (even if the problems get addressed), and so on. And I could weather all that, because I already had my falling out, years ago. Whether I get banned or not doesn't matter, because there is already no place for me in Dumpshock. Whether I get backlisted from writing more material or not doesn't matter, because I'm already blacklisted. Amongst all of the writers past and present, I'm safe. So I can go forward and be the guy who spills the beans. I can be the big jerk, because everyone knows that I'm a well known crackpot.

There is a very substantial chance that the way forward for Shadowrun will be to form a new company and have that company get the license when it comes up for renewal in 2 months. We've done it before. Twice before. So it's hardly unthinkable. If that turns out to be the solution, things will go smoother if that gets established as early as possible - which means that shining a light on the problem now is likely the best way to get the license issues settled quickly when it matters in May. Remember, InMediaRes LLC is not a person. It's a legal entity. A limited liability corporation. It also does not own Shadowrun, it is merely a license holder. If IMR LLC cannot get its ducks in a row in the very short amount of time before the license comes up, the correct course of action is to create a new legal entity separate from those problems, and then have the people who have financial interests in the IMR fallout continue those deliberations separately from Shadowrun's continuation. There is no shame in that, it's just a corporate shell game. But if it is going to happen, it has to happen soon, and that means getting the ball rolling soon. And if that means airing dirty laundry, of being banned from Dumpshock "for real this time" - then so be it.

I'm still an opinionated jerk, that hasn't changed. I have strong opinions about what was done right and what was done wrong. And what could be done better. But none of that is actually important if people are collectively afraid to come forward about the financial elephant in the room and the license is allowed to expire without a backup plan for Shadowrun generally. I don't always agree with the direction Shadowrun has been taken. I have had lots of disagreements with many of the past and current producers. But I want Shadowrun to be taken in a direction. And that means first blowing the whistle, and secondly it means coming down heavily on people who spout fallacious reactionary nonsense about how we should regress the genuinely positive improvements that Rob made when we first moved to SR4.

But mostly it means stepping aside again. Before I get my account banned "for real this time" of course, but also because there is no place for me at Dumpshock. And unfortunately, I've done all I can to make sure Shadowrun continues.

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Now, the punchline: Bull told me afterwards that if I don't change my post style that he will permanently ban me. That man really is a clueless asshole. But unfortunately, he is not the problem. His impact on Shadowrun's future or lack thereof is basically meaningless and small.
Wesley wrote:Is this the same situation which resulted in the demise of FanPro or were they simply being disagreeable Germans?
It was different but the same. The Germans decided to not pay FanPro debts (or Freelancers) and to instead take money out of the company and do other stuff with it. I don't know where the money went. FanPro closed up shop and CGL rose from the ashes with everyone just walking over to the new company. The deal cut allowed the president of FanPro to sell off remaining stocks to pay off debts, and while they sold off those stocks, they kept the money and a bunch of people never got paid.

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"FrankTrollman used the amount of $850,000, I find that oddly similar to the amount that was 'stolen' from Palladium. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm not saying he is lying, I do have my doubts."

What?! Does that cat think that designing a better World Of Darkness and going to medical school wasn't taking up enough of Frank's time, so he'd make up stories about embezzlement cribbed from the CRISIS OF TREACHERY?
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My favorite part. He's making up a story that was straight up confirmed by the actual company in that thread. Hilarious.
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The End of the Beginning of the Beginning of the End.

In other news of the weird: Loren Coleman friended me on Facebook.

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Er, why?
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If it's the cryptozoologist Coleman, who knows. I have a bigfoot hunter in my extended family (founded the Texas Bigfoot Research Center), and they're an odd bunch.
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