nockermensch wrote:Right, time to write something that has been in my mind for some time now, which can make some all of you hate me, but fuck that. It needs to be said:
I'll hate on you, nockers.
The first point is that being oppressed and persecuted became something you can cash in for social currency points in today's World.
This is not true. It just isn't. Oppressed people are legion and they have no power and no ability to cash anything in. There is no social currency for any of the billions of oppressed people in the world. It just sucks, and you simply don't hear about it.
Yes, you can see one or two people being professional victims, if you dig. But they're also real and most of them actually gain much bigger problems from further oppression than they will ever gain by going public with it. Going public sucks, and you simply don't hear about it. Or you do, because Edward Snowden went public, and the little bit of state oppression he was under kinda rocketed.
Yes, there are also totally fake victims. They are starkly obvious. It's the wealth and power they hold and the lack of actual victimisation. They are also extremely tiny in number compared to actual victims of oppression and marginalisation. Like, there's a handful of them, and there's billions of actual oppressed people. It's like someone mentioned rape and your first thought was how there is such a thing as fake rape complaints, rather than the approximate 2% conviction rate on the actual rapes.
Bla bla bla, Israel is complaining that everyone's out to get them because of anti-Semitism.
OK, so yes, because there were some six million Jews in Europe who survived the holocaust, and there are some six million Jews in Israel who mostly descend from those people. In living memory, people were literally out to get every single one of them proper dead because of anti-Semitism. Most of their neighbours have variously not accepted their nation as even existing for most of its history.
The people who survived the holocaust, they were the ones who saw it before it got bad. They fled and they hid just because a few politicians were virulent anti-Semites and there were a few more attacks than usual. The people who assumed things would be alright, they mostly died. It was very bad.
I don't think this is some kind of perfectly orchestrated conspiracy.
Real conspiracies are just people with common interests taking the time to assist each other for mutual benefit. Israel will usually manage to act in Israel's interest with or without them.
It goes like this: Somebody posts a article critical of Israel in a board or social media. Somebody on the comments posts LE HAPPY MERCHANT together with some racist phrase.
There are a big old bunch of racists and anti-Semites in the world. Huge giant bunches of them. I would venture it's billions. Racism is super common. Someone does X, racist does Y, people don't really hassle or block the racist, the racism is just left there, often times a bunch more racists pile on and add some more racism. That makes you uncomfortable because now the Jew is getting away with stuff, because of racism which might even be fake.
Again, it's like someone yells rape, and your first thought is, "ooh, there's fake rape complaints, don't you know."
Because the people he wants to keep down just shot their own credibility in the foot head there.
Again, the simple answer is the people who hate Israel are very often racist and anti-Semites. Some of them are also oppressed by Israel, and some of the oppressors are also racist with anti-Islamic sensibilities.
Your argument might be "Racism often gets in the way of talking sense." Yes, it does, "often" being due to the preponderance of racism. So well spotted. Nonsense makes no sense.
siege mentality
Also every single person in the actual siege in Gaza and the West Bank. Siege mentalities do affect people who are under siege. You might also have a think about how the "besieger mentality" probably isn't going to be all that different, having to keep such a close eye on them in case they fight back (and they do fight back, constantly). It's a lot like the history of apartheid South Africa, people get nasty on both sides, and it's up to the side with the real power to stop it and make peace instead.
Then I noticed the same pattern being used regarding GamerGate, only with Misogyny being used instead Racism.
To rephrase: "Then I noticed that misogynists are also very common, and their nonsense is similarly harmful to the process of making sense of things."
Well, that was it. Feel free to call me paranoid now.
Pretty much, but I do it often enough myself. Conflate lots of people being a thing with that thing being organised by the powerful. Rather than how powerful people just have to ride whatever popular wave is peaking at the moment, because having a lot of influence is still not the same as having all of it, or even most of it, or even much of it at all, but staying on top is what makes you the top (rather than being worthy or something).
PC, SJW, anti-fascist, not being a dick, or working on it, he/him.
