After Sundown

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:03 pm

so, basically:

Shatner · Post by **Shatner** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:26 pm

Yeah, that jives with what I was saying.

Another question is how Mirror Gates come to be. Are they all the result of artifice or do some of them occur naturally?

Having cultists performing a ritual to create a mirror gate is thematic and jives with the artifice interpretation. Having the 700 year old silver mirror you bought from the antique dealer or stole from an archeological dig be a mirror gate is thematic and jives with the artifice interpretation (it was just created a LONG time ago). Having gremlins crawling out of the bathroom of the completely new office building that was designed by some eccentric artist who had a thing for mirrors is also thematic but does not jive with the artifice interpretation. In that last example, there'd have to be some spooky reason why mirrors just sometimes become gates to the Dark Reflection. After all, having ancient and terrible things crawling out of the shiny new constructions of modernity is also genre appropriate and people are going to expect to be able to tell stories of that nature without having to claim something like "one of the construction workers stuck a 1,000 year old cursed mirror in the executive washroom".

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:51 pm

Site of ancient atrocity fits thematically too, as would mirrors being made from sand that came from such a site.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:43 am

I think that mirrors which big things get summoned through become portals for smaller things.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:20 pm

...you can't put sand in a mirror pocket created by Progress of glass, can you?

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:41 am

Prak_Anima wrote:...you can't put sand in a mirror pocket created by Progress of glass, can you?

Dirty sand. Or maybe sand in a bag? Dispelling is a sorcery, so presumably it involves more than simple contact.

But can you put a mirror pocket in a mirror pocket?

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:18 am

I asked this myself, and you can so long as the mirror fits inside the other one.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:32 am

I was writing my NaNoWriMo, and about to have a character use magic items based on mirror pocket to get sand from a big dump truck into a building as a "holy shit, this whole place could rip a hole to Limbo any minute, we have to cover it in sand" thing.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:23 am

virgil wrote:I asked this myself, and you can so long as the mirror fits inside the other one.

With a reasonable check, you can put reasonably sized mirror diagonally into a pocket sized one. Into the reasonably sized mirror you can put a long one, and into the long one you can put a huge one. You could smuggle around a nuclear bomb and a motorcycle in your pocket and have them out of the mirror chain in under a minute.

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:13 pm

If you can get it deep enough (2m+), you can use it as a 'ceiling', then bring in mirrors to hang around the walls as rooms.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:03 am

Could Song of Swarms be used to heal disease in your own body? Body colony already has swarms living in you, and Small Witness allows you to see through any bugs. Could you use the two to seek out cancers and such in your body and remove them? I'd imagine this would negatively affect your Medicine dice pool, but it should be doable...

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:17 am

You'd need Supernatural Senses (or to give your bugs little flashlights) to 'see inside yourself'. Thankfully, Mi'go have that.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:09 am

Mi Go doctors. Sure they leave you with a crawling sensation, but they're thorough and cheap.

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:46 am

How do you handle sundering and breaking down walls/doors?

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:06 pm

Thanks for doing that editing pass, although I should note that the usage of nor is correct although charmingly archaic.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:34 am

Desire Reflection still references Vanish from the Mind's Eye in the PDF I have.

Blasted · Post by **Blasted** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:13 am

I'm about to run another game and I'd really like a hard copy or two.
Is there a lulu link for the most recently edited version? Should it be in the first post, perhaps with a pdf link?

Is there a version with more (better? consistent? evocative?) artwork?
If not, would you think about kickstarting (etc.) one?

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:29 am

Kickstarter would be great idea if Frank cared. Of course you'd need rewards and such...

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:22 pm

Getting proper art would pretty much require funding for that purpose. I don't have the necessary artistic talent to draw art for the book.

A kickstarter would be a possibility. But I don't actually have the time to set one up at the moment. I'm visiting the US in less than a month.

If there was money for art and printing, I'd do a new edition that fixed some typos and put in better (actual) art and stuff.

-Username17

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:44 pm

Shatner wrote: Another question is how Mirror Gates come to be. Are they all the result of artifice or do some of them occur naturally?

I think some few do occur naturally--or by accident. If some critter's specific Mirror Gate is that the surface has to be washed with soap or lemon or something, it's a lucky sonofabitch and expected to try to help others get through.

I guess even a mountain pool would work--someone's condition could be "a wet mirror".

The thing to do is define "mirror". A reflection clear enough to identify someone's face in? If so, there' a floor or two at work which could qualify (thanks to my efforts with a buffer).

And hey, mirror goblins rising out of the floor to come for you is a nasty image.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:58 am

Hey Frank, can you use Hide in Plain Sight or careful planning to use Holistic Ventriloquism to nab the "Position is suspect" Threshold Increase in combat? Or does that kinda thing just fail super hard to discernment because the threshold to pierce it is set by your roll and Holistic Ventriloquism doesn't make you roll anything?

Endovior · Post by **Endovior** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:04 am

Quick clarification, here... when a character is dead, their power schedule doesn't change, a big deal if the corpse in question has Restoration. Lunar types have it easy, they basically just come back on their own. Vampires and Troglodytes are fairly easy; you just feed blood or flesh to the corpse. Ritual types are harder, since the rituals diverge, but it's still quite doable. What about Baali? Their feeding description states that they have to hurt people to recharge, which is hard to do while dead. Can a Baali's allies just cut themselves near the corpse to charge it up, or do they need to do something silly, like beat someone up with the severed arm of the guy? More generally, I suppose... must the Baali be actively initiating harm to feed off it, or can they generally feed from any injuries taken by others in their presence? If it is specifically the first, then you need to do weird shenanigans to let a dead Baali recharge, but if it's the second, then they basically enjoy the same deal as any other supernatural type.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:10 am

Endovior wrote:Quick clarification, here... when a character is dead, their power schedule doesn't change, a big deal if the corpse in question has Restoration. Lunar types have it easy, they basically just come back on their own. Vampires and Troglodytes are fairly easy; you just feed blood or flesh to the corpse. Ritual types are harder, since the rituals diverge, but it's still quite doable. What about Baali? Their feeding description states that they have to hurt people to recharge, which is hard to do while dead. Can a Baali's allies just cut themselves near the corpse to charge it up, or do they need to do something silly, like beat someone up with the severed arm of the guy? More generally, I suppose... must the Baali be actively initiating harm to feed off it, or can they generally feed from any injuries taken by others in their presence? If it is specifically the first, then you need to do weird shenanigans to let a dead Baali recharge, but if it's the second, then they basically enjoy the same deal as any other supernatural type.

Baali Bone Shanks.

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:34 am

Personally, I like the interpretation that it counts as initiating the harm if they leave instructions for their allies/cultists to kidnap and horribly murder people in their crypt.

Blasted · Post by **Blasted** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:43 am

A thought of concern:
Could a Baali in combat recharge power points. i.e. create a power loop of using power points to cause pain, then regaining power through this.
I'm going to rule, no, it must be a preplanned ritual, but given vampires can feed during combat, would this even be an issue?