OSSR: RAGE (Unlimited)

[Thaluikhain]

Isn't the X-Men thing largely inspired by LGBT people to begin with? And the civil rights movement, of course.

The general assumption was that a new werewolf didn't know any other werewolves, and grew up as a normal human or dog and then sometime during puberty they transformed for the first time and wrecked shit up and felt bad about it. Then sometime after that, other werewolves who are your 2nd or 3rd cousins show up and indoctrinate you into a "tribe" and then shortly after that your tribe farms you out into a "pack" of similarly aged werewolves from other tribes and tells you to go kill demons or die trying.

How do they find you? When you rape someone do you have to log it so that your family keeps an eye on your victims + their family for 13 years?

You know, I actually assumed that Werewolf is an animated Disney movie and all dogs possessed human level intelligence and could talk.

I'd initially assumed that they were normal dogs, but all the beastiality stuff happened many, many generations ago and nobody talks about it nowdays. Cause, nobody would do it the other way.

[Ancient History]

Isn't the X-Men thing largely inspired by LGBT people to begin with? And the civil rights movement, of course.

No. X-Men were nuclear fallout and eugenics. Quite literally, mutants in Marvel were human beings mutated into a new, superior species when their parents were exposed to radiation before or during pregnancy. They were 50s sci-fi social panic tropes.

Then that turned out not to happen, and Chris Claremont was brought on board for the new X-Men. And he did explicitly do the LGBT/Civil Rights stuff, because those were the social panic concerns of his decade.

[Neeeek]

Isn't the X-Men thing largely inspired by LGBT people to begin with? And the civil rights movement, of course.

No. X-Men were nuclear fallout and eugenics. Quite literally, mutants in Marvel were human beings mutated into a new, superior species when their parents were exposed to radiation before or during pregnancy. They were 50s sci-fi social panic tropes.

Then that turned out not to happen, and Chris Claremont was brought on board for the new X-Men. And he did explicitly do the LGBT/Civil Rights stuff, because those were the social panic concerns of his decade.

Not really. They were a civil right movement analogy from day one (or issue #1, I guess).

The X-Men debuted in the early-mid 60s. Claremont's run wasn't until the mid-70s. The LGBT stuff wasn't really part of the deal until the 80s with Alpha Flight.

[Ancient History]

Claremont said the quite part out loud:

[Username17]

How do they find you?

That's a major plot hole. Most similar stories, like Nightbreed or X-Men involve the "special" person finding and getting found by their people. The people who are special in the same way that they are. It can be a metaphor for any out-group, whether it's gays or goths or whatever. People feel like outsiders in society sometimes even when they are heteronormative, and the fantasy of being accepted not despite being different but because of the differentness is something that has powered everything from Harry Potter to Ministry's Everyday is Halloween.

But the specific mechanism of getting found by and achieving mutual acceptance between the new Werewolf and the established Werewolf culture is pretty much completely handwaved. The idea that you might actually discover you were a Werewolf and decide that you didn't want to go have a drum circle in the woods and hunt deer with your teeth or that you might look at the filthy religious fanatics in the woods with derision rather than trying to ingratiate yourself with their cult wasn't even considered.

Being a Werewolf is basically like White Wolf fandom itself. You find the subculture somehow, and then you decide to get deeply involved with it, because otherwisewhy are you reading this book? And yeah, that's actually pretty dumb. Werewolf is much worse from a design standpoint than Vampire is, even aside from the offensive content.

-Username17