Pathfinder 2e

angelfromanotherpin · Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:57 am

Yes, such noticeably different head proportions.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:27 pm

Does PF2 have a net setting or expanded on their old setting?

Orca · Post by **Orca** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:31 am

Same setting: Golarion, where time advances at one year per RL year, and apparently there won't be a disaster to explain away changes the way D&D has done it in the past. Which is probably good.

EightWave · Post by **EightWave** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:29 am

angelfromanotherpin wrote:Yes, such noticeably different head proportions.

She's about half a head shorter with a waist about 3/4 the width of the original, that's literally the difference between a skinny teenager and athletic adult, so yeah.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:27 am

Yeah, that was an own goal if I ever saw one. In comic/manga terms you could sell me on the old art being post-timeskip Amiri while the new art is from the prequel.

erik · Post by **erik** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:12 am

The head is identical size. The waist/chest becomes smaller, so I guess proportionately compared to waist width yes, the head is smaller, but height seems nearly identical as well. Mostly they gave her a thinner torso. As variation between artists goes, that's not a bad likeness at all and certainly not a change towards "giant fuckin noggin" by any stretch of the imagination.

[edit: do we need to compare the endless Mialee/Lidda/Krusks etc. through the ages?]

Axebird · Post by **Axebird** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:11 am

erik wrote:The head is identical size. The waist/chest becomes smaller, so I guess proportionately compared to waist width yes, the head is smaller, but height seems nearly identical as well. Mostly they gave her a thinner torso. As variation between artists goes, that's not a bad likeness at all and certainly not a change towards "giant fuckin noggin" by any stretch of the imagination.

[edit: do we need to compare the endless Mialee/Lidda/Krusks etc. through the ages?]

Both pictures were drawn by Wayne Reynolds. The new one is an intentional re-design, not an artifact of different artists.

EightWave · Post by **EightWave** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:27 am

There's no artist signature on the second one, I wonder if it was commissioned to be a legally distinct art work to avoid royalties or something That, or an audition piece by a new artist that someone decided they like better. Nevermind, same artist. There's a lot of things to prefer about the new piece: her expression is a snarl instead of a derp, and the arm+sword are in a more natural pose with the sword actually being a thing she's interacting with, instead of a piece of clipart pasted into the picture.

She's not a cabbage patch doll or anything, but the body is definitely slightly smaller in relation to the head in the new image, which makes her seem shorter. With the thinner arms/torso if you told me the new image was 17-year-old Amiri on her first adventure and the old one was 25-year-old Amiri with some levels under her belt I'd believe you.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:42 pm

erik wrote:As variation between artists goes, that's not a bad likeness at all and certainly not a change towards "giant fuckin noggin" by any stretch of the imagination.

Are we seriously going to fret over tone on the Den? Some people think she looks less physically imposing and a clear explanation of why that isn't insane has been given. If I overreached it's by calling what is apparently an intentional redesign amateur hour, not by pointing out that her head is now nearly as wide as her torso.

infected slut princess · Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:37 pm

This "iconic barbarian" looked lame before and she looks lame now. She looks like some lame ass bitch off the cover of a cheap fantasy YA novel. No one is going to look at her and get PUMPED UP to make a character and ROLL SOME FUCKIN DICE.

If I google "female fantasy barbarian" the first 100 images are all better than Paizo's barbarian.

angelfromanotherpin · Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:07 pm

Apparently there was an isometric CRPG of Kingmaker, and they gave all the characters a non-Reynolds makeover. This is their version of her:

Better? Worse?

Axebird · Post by **Axebird** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:31 pm

I liked it more. She reads as tougher and more confident to me. I still wish she was more muscled up, though.

Mask_De_H · Post by **Mask_De_H** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:45 pm

Whipstitch wrote:
erik wrote:As variation between artists goes, that's not a bad likeness at all and certainly not a change towards "giant fuckin noggin" by any stretch of the imagination.
Are we seriously going to fret over tone on the Den? Some people think she looks less physically imposing and a clear explanation of why that isn't insane has been given. If I overreached it's by calling what is apparently an intentional redesign amateur hour, not by pointing out that her head is now nearly as wide as her torso.

That's because she's become rail-thin not because big head mode's been triggered. Both give the moe waif effect you'd expect out of a teenage girl in fantasy art, but take different roads to get there.

You're correct in the effect, but completely wrong about her head and how they got there.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:32 am

I was th inking more along just head vs waist when i posted, but fine, if we're going full pedant i guess i was both right and horribly wrong.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:58 am

It's literally a tracing of the previous head. The rest of the body is drawn smaller, making the head to body ratio larger. Why is this discussion still going on?

-Username17

WiserOdin032402 · Post by **WiserOdin032402** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:46 am

No fucking clue. Who wants to discuss leveled items? I think the concept is interesting but it's always going to fail in the world of TTRPGs due to how videogame-y the concept is.

However, I think if a careful approach is taken, it might work in establishing 'Here's where you need to be at level X or Y'. Some kind of table that shows what abilities your character just needs to have to participate.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:24 pm

Axebird wrote:I liked it more. She reads as tougher and more confident to me. I still wish she was more muscled up, though.

Here you go:

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:17 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:It's literally a tracing of the previous head. The rest of the body is drawn smaller, making the head to body ratio larger. Why is this discussion still going on?

-Username17

I think the problem is is twofold. First, I really wanted to write "big fuckin' noggin" because I am juvenile enough to think swears are funny. Second, people are unwilling to assume I just mean a>b=b<a instead of something stupid. I'd be mad, but I remember how Silva and Shadzar used to post, so I kinda get it.

erik · Post by **erik** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:54 pm

I think I was triggered by my aversion to hyperbole because it’s the worst fucking thing in the universe.

Whiysper · Post by **Whiysper** » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 am

Erik, I love you. Never change.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:14 pm

What’s a wyvern like in PF2e, they seem a good benchmark monster

Axebird · Post by **Axebird** » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:23 pm

OgreBattle wrote:What’s a wyvern like in PF2e, they seem a good benchmark monster

It comes out in August. There weren't any wyverns in the playtest bestiary.

magnuskn · Post by **magnuskn** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:05 am

There are probably hundreds of images of Amiri drawn throughout the many, many Pathfinder books Paizo released throughout the last decade, most of them by different artists. So there will be a lot of variation on how she was depicted.
That being said, the new version looks more like a sickly goth princess.

As for PF2E, I'm not making the jump to it, because it abandoned the 3.X skeleton and I don't like the new ideas they went with. No problem, I still got adventure path material from PF1E to GM until another decade has passed.

saithorthepyro · Post by **saithorthepyro** » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:40 pm

Don't really care either way, as my experience with the character is some of Kingmaker and occasionally mocking her build as an Iconic Character. I'm more interested in how PF2E ends up performing because if it does well, then most of the third party support will likely jump with and the actual parts of PF I like will go unsupported.

saithorthepyro · Post by **saithorthepyro** » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:11 pm

Well, it's finally here. Not certain if I can post external links but it's up on archive of Nethys.