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You played level 0 D&D exclusively? Sleep is level one. Sleep is hardly an "I win" spell on the scale that other, higher level spells are. It affects 4 HD of creatures. Even at low levels, I've never seen a situation where a single casting of sleep ended the entire fight. Maybe you've...

Like RC said, it may be boring buts its sure having an impact. I don't like one shot wins either but that doesn't mean people get to make bad arguments. I wasn't making an argument, I was making a statement. I haven't played a lot of high level 3rd Ed games where casting "I win" spells ha...

Draco_Argentum wrote: What, more significant than ending a combat in a single action? Thats a strange thing to say.

Sounds boring as hell.

Regardless of rather anyone considers marking a big enough deal to even care about (It really amounts to about the same choice as choosing who you're going to attack IMO) the point has already been made that there REALLY aren't a sufficient number of bonus choices given in 4e's to credit it with be...

This is out and out bullshit. Cleave is optional in 3e, because every attack is optional. You don't have the choice to not get the ability to take the attack but Combat Challenge doesn't give you the choice to not have the ability to put a free Mark on the table either. So fuck off. Look on page 77...

But beyond that, you're counting Combat Challenge as an "option" - I don't know why you would do that. It's just a conditional bonus attack. There are no choices to be made, we were counting 3e Cleave as "not an option" because it simply triggers, so you putting in Combat Challe...

What about an encounter power that disarms? I think there's only one in existence, and that's a level 17 fighter exploit. But it also deals damage. How is that different from claiming that Cleave is not an option when you are fighting a Solo or Reaping Strike is not an option when you are fighting ...

Actually, encounter powers are an option exactly once per encounter. Every round except that round, they are not options. The same applies to dailies; they are only an option for one round a day. So, while in the first round of combat a day, the 4E fighter has an advantage, in the fourth round he d...

May not always be a use able option but they are always on the table. Using encounters and dailies aren't always an option but they are included so why not disarms and sunders? True you can never have a fighter without race but unlike 4e which has limits to what race you can be 3e doesn't have any ...

You're never going to have a fighter without a race, though, so it should count. To make things even, just use a race out of the 3e core books with a 0 LA. Hound Archon shouldn't even be considered for this comparison. You're also forgetting that with the 3e fighter, disarm and sunder are sometimes ...

A 3.0 Fighter can at first level Power Attack, regular attack, charge, disarm, sunder, trip, bullrush, and grapple. There are even reasons to do all of these things. A 4e Fighter can Tide of Iron, Cleave, Spinning Sweep, Comeback Strike, charge, grab, push, and regular attack. It's the same number ...