Request: A Generlal Explanation of the US Healthcare System

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:28 pm

Except that the progressive wing right now isn't in any mood to compromise; in their minds (and I agree) they've compromised enough and to capitulate on health care more than they already have would be the same as rolling over 1994-style.

MGuy · Post by **MGuy** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:50 pm

I agree with you. I think that they should be making more ballsy maneuvers to try and get a good version of this reform finalized.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:17 pm

Except this has a good chance of happening:

A bill comes up that doesn't have a good public option in it. It comes to the House floor for a vote. But it does have a lot of other good things in it.

So either:

A) Progressives kill the bill and take the blame for not getting any health care reform done. They earn the ire of moderates/independents/Blue Dogs/etc.

B) They capitulate, vote for the bill, and piss off the base for backing down on their promise. Other factions in Democratic party see this as a sign of weakness and begin walking all over them, exacerbating the pissed-off base problem.

MGuy · Post by **MGuy** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:46 pm

I'd say they should go for option A seeing as though they are already getting burned for a Bill that doesn't even exist.

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:05 pm

More information on healthcare reform from the front-running organization pushing for it. (It is the organization formed from the contact and volunteer list created from Obama's successful Presidential campaign.)

-Crissa

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:00 pm

Crissa wrote:(It is the organization formed from the contact and volunteer list created from Obama's successful Presidential campaign.)

Ah yes, Obama's "brown" shirts (as opposed to his "purple" shirts; the SEIU) - The lying liars and the wonderful half truths they present as real facts.

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:29 pm

tzor wrote:Ah yes, Obama's "brown" shirts (as opposed to his "purple" shirts; the SEIU) - The lying liars and the wonderful half truths they present as real facts.

Do you know what 'brownshirts' means?

Do you have any evidence of any false statements or actual strong arm tactics?

The answer of that is 'no'. Because the evidence you have is either false or out of context.

Either bring up an alternative, or shut up. (strong arm tactic? 'Force' you to actually bother to debate instead of throwing insults?)

-Crissa

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:15 pm

Considering how you easily dismiss conservatives and conservative groups without a shred of evidence to back up your claims I can only say Ms. Pot that I, Mr. Kettle will not play those games.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:02 pm

I cannot believe the sheer amount of bullshit it takes to choke down in order to characterize the American populace's probably-brief awakening from apathy as anything other than encouraging.

Seriously, is the message "democracy only works when it supports my own personal beliefs and otherwise is the demise of the republic"? Because that's just a myopic pining for autocracy, not belief in democracy.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:38 am

mean_liar wrote:I cannot believe the sheer amount of bullshit it takes to choke down in order to characterize the American populace's probably-brief awakening from apathy as anything other than encouraging.

Unless the break from apathy is "The president is one of those evil black men! Socialist! Socialiiiiist!"

Neeeek · Post by **Neeeek** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:59 am

tzor wrote:Considering how you easily dismiss conservatives and conservative groups without a shred of evidence to back up your claims I can only say Ms. Pot that I, Mr. Kettle will not play those games.

When those groups actually start making arguments and stop yelling, you might have a point. I can't remember the right making a coherent point on health care in my lifetime.

Here's the truth: Most of the right doesn't know a flying fuck about how our health care system works. At all. The moment you plea to keep the government out of Medicare, you're already a fucking idiot.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:35 am

Neeeek wrote:Here's the truth: Most of the right doesn't know a flying fuck about how our health care system works. At all. The moment you plea to keep the government out of Medicare, you're already a fucking idiot.

LOL

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:04 am

Evidence:

tzor wrote:Ah yes, Obama's "brown" shirts (as opposed to his "purple" shirts; the SEIU) - The lying liars and the wonderful half truths they present as real facts.

As requested, pants on fire, tzor.

-Crissa

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:45 am

I don't remember who posted it, or where it's posted, but I'm pretty sure that someone linked to an article in The Atlantic...?

Did I make that up?

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:35 am

I try not to, their columnists are serious silver-spooners.

-Crissa