Using races from other realms

[Orion]

Swordmages aren't generally considered to pose a balance problem, anyway. I don't keep track of the latest powerbuilds, but out of the box the basic Swordmage is definitely not any more exciting than a fighter or cleric in terms of melee damage or keeping people alive.

Also: Your life will go much more smoothly if you start by putting roy, psychic robot, and kaelik on ignore. They're all self-confessed trolls.

[Kaelik]

Also: Your life will go much more smoothly if you start by putting roy, psychic robot, and kaelik on ignore. They're all self-confessed trolls.

Orion stop lying. I never troll, and would certainly never confess to it because I don't fucking do it. Disagreeing with you and calling out how stupidly wrong you are is not trolling. Now lying about someone to their face just to be an asshole, that might be trolling.

Remember that time where you were like "Wow, Kaelik was totally right, but I'm going to put him on ignore anyway because it was mean of him to prove he was right. Wahh!"

Yeah, that was still at least a little bit better than joining the "Lie about Kaelik to his face" club.

[Count Arioch the 28th]

that everyone else is calling him a cock mongling troll-clown.

Actually, that's not surprising at all. They already call me a cock mongling troll clown when I am completely 100% correct about something, or when talking about things in which the balance of probability favors me, or right after they explicitly state that they were completely wrong and I was completely right.

So that they call me the same more so when I am actually wrong (assuming this is the one in thousand chance of someone discovering TGD before any other gaming forum and then posting a question without reading a single thing first) is not surprising at all.

A reasonable person would realize "Hey, they call me a cock-mongling troll clown when I'm right and call me one if I'm wrong. Maybe I get flamed for being a cock mongling troll clown and not for the factual content of my posting?"

[Kaelik]

A reasonable person would realize "Hey, they call me a cock-mongling troll clown when I'm right and call me one if I'm wrong. Maybe I get flamed for being a cock mongling troll clown and not for the factual content of my posting?"

Alternatively, maybe they call me a cock mongling troll clown because they don't like me, and generally hate me for not agreeing with them.

I mean, this is team PL/Crissa/Orion, and according to them you are super privileged and way better off than Crissa who is apparrently rich just because you are a white male (If you aren't a white male, the act of disagreeing with her about anything automatically makes you one, so you are too) and Prak is a bigot against bisexuals even though he is one.

So, it may just be that some people have some issues that they should work out before they go around calling people cock mongling whatevers.

I'm not really sure what Tarvish's problem is, but I'm sure I called him stupid for saying something stupid and he took it personally and holds a grudge or something.

[Orion]

Swordmages aren't generally considered to pose a balance problem, anyway. I don't keep track of the latest powerbuilds, but out of the box the basic Swordmage is definitely not any more exciting than a fighter or cleric in terms of melee damage or keeping people alive.

Also: Your life will go much more smoothly if you start by putting roy, psychic robot, and kaelik on ignore. They're all self-confessed trolls.

[Kaelik]

Swordmages aren't generally considered to pose a balance problem, anyway. I don't keep track of the latest powerbuilds, but out of the box the basic Swordmage is definitely not any more exciting than a fighter or cleric in terms of melee damage or keeping people alive.

Also: Your life will go much more smoothly if you start by putting roy, psychic robot, and kaelik on ignore. They're all self-confessed trolls.

It's funny because you read what I say, and post things for the sole purpose of pissing me off and no other reason, ie trolling.

But you also waste space posting your statement about swordmages over again for no reason just because you are too cowardly to ever address me directly. Because, as you yourself admitted, I am right when I call people out for lying about me and not being able to back up their false accusations, you just hate me for doing it anyway.

[angelfromanotherpin]

Kaelik, you occasionally contribute posts of value, but your signal-to-noise ratio drops hardcore anytime you indulge this persecution complex you seem to have.

People are saying bad things about you? On the internet? Yeah, ranting about that will totally fix it.

[Kaelik]

Kaelik, you occasionally contribute posts of value, but your signal-to-noise ratio drops hardcore anytime you indulge this persecution complex you seem to have.

People are saying bad things about you? On the internet? Yeah, ranting about that will totally fix it.

It's not a persecution complex. When people say bad things about me on the internet, I point out that they are wrong. Frankly, it's noise not signal when Orion goes around lying about me. Or PL does. Or Crissa does. My goal is to emit a wavelength directly out of phase to cancel out their noise. I'm not ranting, or complaining. I'm pointing out they are wrong and calling them on their bullshit and/or lies.

You may consider it a signal to noise ratio, but frankly, if the two options are:

1) A loud and clear signal lying.
2) Noise.

Two is actually better.

It would be nice if Orion would stop lying, that would be an end result that is very good, certainly better than I can expect. But if instead all that happens is that some or most people see that he is lying, that's fine too.

This is the reason I oppose Crissa calling Prak a bigot for daring to disagree with her about transgendered/transvestite people even though he is one. Because it's more important that people be given a chance to see the truth, instead of only hearing someone lying. You yourself would be the beneficiary of this the next time Crissa goes on a Crusade against the evil white males, if I didn't already run blockade for all that hate that would spill onto the nearest white male ever few weeks without a vocal angry scapegoat.

It's a question of consequence. If everyone's response to someone just lying about what other people have said is to just ignore it, and then get mad at the person for calling out those lies, then you create a situation in which the ideal behavior is to lie about what other people have said, because if the other person calls you on it, they are the one that get's ridiculed.

I certainly could have lied about Orion, and said that he is actually a self confessed troll, and that he murdered his own grandmother for her wrist watch, but that would be dump, because it creates a situation in which no meaningful conversation can take place, because people never address the disagreements of others. So instead I called him on his lie, showed that he can't point to a single instance of me trolling or confessing to trolling, and mentioned an instance in the past which would demonstrate to anyone who saw it that he holds a grudge completely unrelated to the content of my posts.

[RobbyPants]

Maybe you two are just using the word "troll" differently.

[Crissa]

Not so sure about that. At least 2 of their admins have a massive hard on for 4.Fail, and I suspect part of the reason why I was being temp banned so frequently before I gave up on the place was because I was blasting 4.Fail.

I didn't say they weren't 4e fans, just that they didn't support it with their service.

-Crissa

[Roy]

Not so sure about that. At least 2 of their admins have a massive hard on for 4.Fail, and I suspect part of the reason why I was being temp banned so frequently before I gave up on the place was because I was blasting 4.Fail.

I didn't say they weren't 4e fans, just that they didn't support it with their service.

-Crissa

This, again is false. One of the admins in question has a whole campaign world... which he converted to 4.Fail.

And whenever people start blasting 4.Fail, they tend to aside against those attacking it regardless of the means they use to attack it.

Now this isn't coming right out and saying they're sucking 4.Fail's cock, but when their mouth is unusually wet, covered with white stuff, and not too far away from its crotch it is not hard to fill in the blank.

[mean_liar]

Holy shit.

This thread needz more dogrape.

[Crissa]

This, again is false. One of the admins in question has a whole campaign world... which he converted to 4.Fail.

I don't really care, it's irrelevant to the tools they provide, which still support D&D 3.x primarily. Although, they did add a 4e sheet at some point recently, which is more than they had done.

Roy, you'd really get alot further without the slurs and actual, I dunno, links or something instead of denunciations of specific persons.

-Crissa

[Kaelik]

This, again is false. One of the admins in question has a whole campaign world... which he converted to 4.Fail.

I don't really care, it's irrelevant to the tools they provide, which still support D&D 3.x primarily. Although, they did add a 4e sheet at some point recently, which is more than they had done.

Roy, you'd really get alot further without the slurs and actual, I dunno, links or something instead of denunciations of specific persons.

-Crissa

They've had a 4e sheet for like a year. The recently restructured everything so that the 4e sheet comes up first in the list, but it was always there.

[Blicero]

Holy shit.

This thread needz more dogrape.

Death to the Judean Liberation Front!

[Count Arioch the 28th]

Holy shit.

This thread needz more dogrape.

Death to the Judean Liberation Front!

[Insert random overshare here]

also, my previous marriage was unpleasant. Here's a 500 point manifesto as to why:...

[Prak]

that everyone else is calling him a cock mongling troll-clown.

Actually, that's not surprising at all. They already call me a cock mongling troll clown when I am completely 100% correct about something, or when talking about things in which the balance of probability favors me, or right after they explicitly state that they were completely wrong and I was completely right.

So that they call me the same more so when I am actually wrong (assuming this is the one in thousand chance of someone discovering TGD before any other gaming forum and then posting a question without reading a single thing first) is not surprising at all.

A reasonable person would realize "Hey, they call me a cock-mongling troll clown when I'm right and call me one if I'm wrong. Maybe I get flamed for being a cock mongling troll clown and not for the factual content of my posting?"

On the other hand, I wouldn't expect a cock mongling troll clown to be a reasonable person.

Kaelik's a dick, it's a fact of life. He may be occasionally right or wrong, but he's part of the huge barrel of cock that is the Den.

[Zinegata]

Death to the Liberation Front of Judea!

[Josh_Kablack]

I am playing in a 4e campaign, general setting. I am very interested in the possibility of using a Genasi Swordmage, but the GM is a bit hesitant, as we don't know how classes and races are balanced across realms.

So, my question to you guys who know more than me (especially since this is the first D&D I've played since AD&D) is - Are classes and races introduced in Eberron, Manual of the Planes and Forgotten Realms balanced so they could be used in a standard, i.e. Keep on the Shadowfel, setting,

In my experience with 4e ( which has involved a fairly limited amount of material and some idiosyncratic but not terribly overblown min maxxing ) assault swordmages have generally been notably better at damage dealing than any other defender classes. The Aegis ability makes them notably more mobile than other melee classes, and Green Flame Blade's minion killing abilitiy has been a big deal in more than one campaign.
However I would not say they are unbalanced compared to the Fighter, Paladin or Warden - just more offensively oriented.

Paladins can massively outheal Swordmages
Fighter Combat Superiority can lockdown foes in a way swordmages can't
and Wardens can do interesting zone of control combos in a way swordmages can't

so long as we utilize a good backstory for them to be there, or are they going to overpower things?

Now this part of your post I (and doubtless the angry hordes before me) take exception to. If a class/race/feat/item/ability is truly TOO POWERFUL, then it needs to be BANNED FROM USE, and no possible backstory is going to make it not be too powerful and potentially unbalancing/game wrecking.

[Psychic Robot]

Also: Your life will go much more smoothly if you start by putting roy, psychic robot, and kaelik on ignore. They're all self-confessed trolls.

I don't shit where I eat.

[DragonChild]

TOO POWERFUL, then it needs to be BANNED FROM USE,

Oh man, I forgot this meme. I'm going to be saying it for the rest of the week.

[ubernoob]

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that the OP is either too retarded to read one of the many 4e threads floating about before posting, or is actually trolling us. If the OP comes back and actually posts some constructive shit, I may be convinced otherwise, but a question this stupid has to be trolling or else I'm going to lose all faith in humanity and reconsider suicide again.

[Zinegata]

Hey, ubernoob, stop being a fucking intolerant retard.

[RobbyPants]

Lose all faith in humanity because of one person?

[Nicklance]

Lose all faith in humanity because of one person?

Quite alot of people gained a faith of sorts because of one person. Doing the opposite and then some is possible.