The Avatar movie: this clip makes me sad.
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The Avatar movie: this clip makes me sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOf73ULgDzo
I don't know how or why, but I have an intense desire to NOT see this movie. I knew MNS has been shitting it up since after Unbreakable, but this just seems atrocious.
Keep that man away from anything.
I don't know how or why, but I have an intense desire to NOT see this movie. I knew MNS has been shitting it up since after Unbreakable, but this just seems atrocious.
Keep that man away from anything.
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The clip isn't that bad. Or rather, the choreography isn't unsalvageable.
Zuko and Katara's actors just need to act more seriously and the fight needs to be sped up. Not Benny Hill-style, just that the movements needs to be quicker and the elements get manipulated faster.
If you've seen the cartoon, one of the things that will strike you is how fast the attacks are. It's not fast in a 'super-speed' sense but fast in a 'everything flows together and there's little time to react'. It's very striking if you watch Avatar after watching another action show with a more stately pace, like, say, Yu Yu Hakusho.
Zuko and Katara's actors just need to act more seriously and the fight needs to be sped up. Not Benny Hill-style, just that the movements needs to be quicker and the elements get manipulated faster.
If you've seen the cartoon, one of the things that will strike you is how fast the attacks are. It's not fast in a 'super-speed' sense but fast in a 'everything flows together and there's little time to react'. It's very striking if you watch Avatar after watching another action show with a more stately pace, like, say, Yu Yu Hakusho.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
I have to say that my biggest problem is that it doesn't seem like A Zuko knows what he is doing, B that neither of them seem to be doing anything other than going through the forms, and C yes the fire is so slow that if not for the Avatar being right behind her I think she seriously could calmly walk out of the way of the flames.
Because MNS is Indian.Akula wrote:
And why is Zuko really Indian? And where is his scar?
And they half-assed the scar with just a bit of skin-tone changing. Instead of giving him something like a real-life version of the show (wrinkled and pretty nasty).
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
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Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
Your opinion is shared by many:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/last_ai ... _order=asc
Ebert gave it half a star. Choice quote:
'"The Last Airbender" is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented. The laws of chance suggest that something should have gone right. Not here.'
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... /100639999
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/last_ai ... _order=asc
Ebert gave it half a star. Choice quote:
'"The Last Airbender" is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented. The laws of chance suggest that something should have gone right. Not here.'
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... /100639999
well, as my friend keeps defending some of the minor changes, it can be seen as more of a reimagining of the series than a direct adaptation. This explains a few things:
Katara's being played by an ambulatory rock. No real emotion, no inflection, nothing. Doesn't even look the part. Hell, she doesn't even look like Sokka.
Sokka's being played much more seriously, which is a shame. They should give him more humour. Maybe not his lame jokes, just more moments of comedy.
Iroh is perfectly fine in spirit. The spirit of the character is conveyed, even if the picture is completely different.
There is no plot or character development. Everyone's just got a few coins of each in their pockets and hands one or two to the audience periodically.
Appa is not a character in the movie.
He's a relatively small set.
- Name pronunciations. Everyone in the movie-verse pronounces A and I as if they were Japanese, meaning people are referring to the Aang as Ong, pronunciation wise, and pronounce Avatar as Awvitar. And Iroh is pronounced with Japanese vowels to be Eroh.
- Different amalgams for the nations' cultures. The fire kingdom of the movie verse is a Japanese/Roman amalgamation portrayed by Indian actors. Except Ozai, who just looks Roman.
- The changes to how bending works. EVERYONE needs their element in evidence to bend, even firebenders.
- The names are distracting. I tried to just go with them, but every time Aang, Iroh, or Sokka's name was said, it was so distracting I started cringing.
- They had no clue what they were doing with the nations. Fine, make the Fire nation a Japanese/Roman imperialistic, manifest destiny culture. Fine, have Indians play them. But DO something with it more than figure our how to dress the actors and sets.
- Every bender is microscopic in the pants compared to Aang, and a lesser extent, Katara, unless they're an old master. There's a scene in the Fire nation's earth prison (which isn't on a boat in the movie, just normal earth) which has 12 guys working together to lazily float a rock the size of a basketball at some Fire guards. Seriously. 11 guys do a form to create the rock, and one directs it to fly like a giant bumblebee. Zuko needs his element in evidence to bend, when, even if you want to say the rank and file fire benders of the cartoon needed a pre-existing flame, no named fire bender ever did.
Katara's being played by an ambulatory rock. No real emotion, no inflection, nothing. Doesn't even look the part. Hell, she doesn't even look like Sokka.
Sokka's being played much more seriously, which is a shame. They should give him more humour. Maybe not his lame jokes, just more moments of comedy.
Iroh is perfectly fine in spirit. The spirit of the character is conveyed, even if the picture is completely different.
There is no plot or character development. Everyone's just got a few coins of each in their pockets and hands one or two to the audience periodically.
Appa is not a character in the movie.
He's a relatively small set.
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They actually only have two Indian actors in the movie. The rest of the characters are european/white. None of the other fire nation characters are played by Indian descent actors.
Why would you re-pronounce names when there's only one audio track originally? Why the bad yellowface accents? WTF?
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Why would you re-pronounce names when there's only one audio track originally? Why the bad yellowface accents? WTF?
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Wouldn't Japanese pronunciation of the vowles (based on spelling) be Aang: 'eŋ' -> 'aŋ', identical pronunciation for Katara, Azula, and Zuko, Sokka: 'sakka' -> 'sokka', and Iroh 'aiɹo' -> ' iɹo'?Prak_Anima wrote:
- Name pronunciations. Everyone in the movie-verse pronounces A and I as if they were Japanese, meaning people are referring to the Aang as Ong, pronunciation wise, and pronounce Avatar as Awvitar. And Iroh is pronounced with Japanese vowels to be Eroh.
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Those are actually South Asian pronunciations. Iroh is pronounced "Ee-roh" because that's how it would be pronounced if that was an Anglicized transliteration of an Indian word. He said that specifically in an interview. That was right after Shyamalan went on a tirade about how exciting it was to be working on a project with "Hindu morals."
What I don't understand, is how anyone on that project could be that fucking ignorant. Shouldn't someone at some point brought up the fact that Iroh's name is written in the show as "艾洛" and that the first syllable is a Japanese/Chinese/Korean "Ai"? How could he have gotten all the way to the stage of filming the damn thing without anyone pointing out that it is fucking Buddhist, not Hindu? I understand that Buddhism and Hinduism share a common root, but for fuck's sake that is like doing a remake of Fiddler on the Roof where everyone is Muslim because they all worship one god and the women wear scarves on their heads.
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What I don't understand, is how anyone on that project could be that fucking ignorant. Shouldn't someone at some point brought up the fact that Iroh's name is written in the show as "艾洛" and that the first syllable is a Japanese/Chinese/Korean "Ai"? How could he have gotten all the way to the stage of filming the damn thing without anyone pointing out that it is fucking Buddhist, not Hindu? I understand that Buddhism and Hinduism share a common root, but for fuck's sake that is like doing a remake of Fiddler on the Roof where everyone is Muslim because they all worship one god and the women wear scarves on their heads.
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If a white guy had done this, he'd never work again. I'm just sayin'.
Edit: To clarify, I'm saying that MNS should never work again after this, not that white people should be able to get away with this.
Edit: To clarify, I'm saying that MNS should never work again after this, not that white people should be able to get away with this.
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The mos damning and weird sentence from that review or me was this one:Nihlin wrote: Ebert gave it half a star. Choice quote:
'"The Last Airbender" is an agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented. The laws of chance suggest that something should have gone right. Not here.'
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbc ... /100639999
And I am like:Roger Ebert wrote:The story takes place in the future, after Man has devastated the planet and survives in the form of beings with magical powers allowing them to influence earth, water and fire. These warring factions are held in uneasy harmony by the Avatar, but the Avatar has disappeared, and Earth lives in a state of constant turmoil caused by the warlike Firebenders.
Seriously, at what point was Avatar set in the future of Earth? The eco system isn't devastated and there are no relic computers.
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Because the intended audience are tiny-minded braindead drones who can't possibly accept any environment that isn't some analogue of earth no matter how tenuous the connection is?
... yeah, I got nuthin'.
... yeah, I got nuthin'.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
I think at one point where Roku's talking about Sozin's Comet he says something to the effect of, "Every one hundred years it passes near earth." (Emphasis mine.) Or maybe he says "the earth" or "Earth". But yeah, that's really all I got.FrankTrollman wrote:Seriously, at what point was Avatar set in the future of Earth? The eco system isn't devastated and there are no relic computers.
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I am seriously waiting for someone to make a fan adaptation.
EDIT: In case anyone cares to double check, I think it's in Season 1, on the Winter Solstice.
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