The Shadowrun Situation

[Maxus]

I just realized Trollman is an actual surname. Pretty fuggin' sweet.

Also, this Caldazar guy seems kind of stupid.

I'm noticing a pattern here.

Elennsar, Shadzar and now Caldazar. And Taharqa, too.

[TheFlatline]

Coleman admitted to making the mistake of comingling person funds with CGL funds. That happens sometimes.

Not innocently it doesn't.

[Centurion13]

I'm struggling to understand why Caldazar would bring his shit over to these boards. If he considers us Frank's "Troops" it seems retarded to even post here. Trolling perhaps?

If I am one of Frank's Troops, than Frank's in trouble... and I am underpaid!

He brought it over because his long-winded dialectical mumbo-jumbo has become so tiresome at his usual haunts that hardly anyone listens to him anymore - and he wants to ram the old 'Loren didn't do it, nobody saw him do it, you can't prove a thing' at a new crop of eyeballs.

Too late, Balthazar.

Cent13

[Centurion13]

I just realized Trollman is an actual surname. Pretty fuggin' sweet.

Also, this Caldazar guy seems kind of stupid.

I'm noticing a pattern here.

Elennsar, Shadzar and now Caldazar. And Taharqa, too.

Yeah. They're all a bunch of blowhards who have the same writing style, love affair with twenty-dollar words, mindless admiration for institutionalized theft and a chronic abundance of time. I wonder if they are connected. I recall that... interesting person trying to PM me into an argument on religion.

That's probably him, too. Or her. Or it. Whatever.

Cent13

[Maxus]

Blowhards

Actually, they're all people who've signed up here basically for the point of saying "NYAH NYAH NYAH CAN"T HEAR YOU YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG NYAH NYAH NYAH"

But I notice all the people who've come here do to that all have a noticeable '-ar' in the names. Very strange coincidence.

[Crissa]

Bah, there's millions of people who meet those criteria.

Coleman admitted to making the mistake of comingling person funds with CGL funds. That happens sometimes.

Not innocently it doesn't.

And even when it does, you don't 'accidentally' spend several times your net worth.

-Crissa

[Kaelik]

That's probably him, too. Or her. Or it. Whatever.

And what, this is the one sock puppet to rule them all so I use it to mock the other four and predate the Coleman shit on this forum by 5 years.

Go blow yourself retard.

[Centurion13]

That's probably him, too. Or her. Or it. Whatever.

And what, this is the one sock puppet to rule them all so I use it to mock the other four and predate the Coleman shit on this forum by 5 years.

Go blow yourself retard.

Huh. Well, this 'retard' would probably take offense if any of that garbage made sense.

But it doesn't, so I don't. Go find something else to do, Cowlick. I mean, besides bait retards.

Cent13

[Maxus]

Sorry about that, Cent. Kaelik has issues. Every so often, he does something like that and starts calling people shitcocks and retards. I've yet to observe any consistent pattern.

In any case, the people I named were all people who showed up and became a pain in the ass for several days and then left.

Although Elennsar and Shadzar both lasted longer than several days. Unfortunately.

[Crissa]

Yeah, I always have to ask someone else to look at posts like that so I know I'm not going crazy looking at crazy.

-Crissa

[Ganbare Gincun]

I don't even see the point of trolling this thread. It was pretty much inert, and now ThreeZar has not only resurrected it like Optimus Prime, but he has succinctly reminded everyone that Loren Coleman, his conspirators, and his supporters are a bunch of amoral scumsucking fuckwits.

Good job, buddy!

[Kaelik]

Sorry about that, Cent. Kaelik has issues. Every so often, he does something like that and starts calling people shitcocks and retards. I've yet to observe any consistent pattern.

Here's a pattern, they say something incredibly stupid like "Hey, I bet that guy who criticizes Elennsar, Shadzar, Taharqa, and Caldazar is really the same person as all of them!"

[Caldazar]

My purpose for joining and posting here is not the actions of Coleman, CGL, or anyone associated with the company. My purpose concerns the flagrant and illegal release of confidential proprietary information by an individual with close intimate ties to individuals who seek to undermine and discredit CGL in order to cause them to lose the licenses for Shadowrun and BattleTech for their own personal gain. You and the rest who want to attempt to derail the discussion may attempt to do so; however, I will continue to seek the information my task requires. That said, let me answer some of your outlandish claims.

Dude. It was in public. Bull seriously made a series of demeaning and sexually aggressive forum posts about Jennifer Harding for the explicit and admitted purpose of disrupting debate and reducing the chance that she was going to receive compensation for her labor.

Balderdash! Trollman, you are delusional. Jennifer Harding first mentioned she had the belly ring and played it up with those who talked about it on Dumpshock. No CGL employee sexually harassed her. Freelance writers are not employees of CGL; they work for hire and paid accordingly. CGL plays their employees either hourly or salary. Nice try in making this all about CGL when in fact the members of Dumpshock that played up her belly ring and she reveled in it.

She doesn't have to make public accusations. The sexual harassment happened. In public.

See above, especially the first sentence.

Stop being such a fucking transparent shill for a moment. If you don't understand something, it's entirely possible that you just don't understand it. Not everything is cloaks and daggers and shadowy innuendo. Sometimes it's just a CGL employee being a skeevy and aggressive pervert in public places.

I understand more then you know, Trollman. In the face of accusations, name the CGL employee who perpetrated this supposed crime against Jennifer Harding. They only CGL employee posting on Dumpshock is Jason Hardy. Surely, you are not accusing him of sexual harassment. I know your hatred for the company and all associated with the CGL runs deep; however, that does not make Hardy guilty of acting in a manner that would suggest such a convoluted and asinine accusation!


I especially note that you did not answer my question concerning the release of confidential information either. Therefore, one can conclude that your silence on this matter speaks volumes. Your lack of response is noted. Furthermore, in the absence of denial, one can conclude that you are guilty of participating in the releasing of said information, have knowledge of who released it, and where or who supplied said information.

Funny that you do not claim responsibility with this as you did in releasing the charts, private letters, and any information you obtained from former CGL employees, freelance writers, and hostile owners. Perhaps you realize that this time, the situation carries consequences that may lead to costing you more than you are willing to pay. This is what happens when people seek revenge or vengeance. The old proverb of "What goes around, comes around," aptly applies to you at this point and time. I am confident Topps’ investigation will lead to those who conspired with you to release this information face justice.

Frank, was this all worth it? With the possibility of losing one's freedom and/or livelihood surely means it is not. Nevertheless, we are talking about you. I guess you must feel this is worth it. Sad, truly sad.

[Caldazar]

Don't suppose you have any evidence for your wild claims? These ones or any others.

Sure. New product released in the last 3 months from CGL proves the printers who produced CGL's product before are doing so now. One only needs to look at the printers information in these new products to see that.

[Fuchs]

Oh, of course, the woman's at fault. She asked for it.

Where do we hear this usually?

[DragonChild]

Trollman, you are delusional. Jennifer Harding first mentioned she had the belly ring and played it up with those who talked about it on Dumpshock.

Was it in the "CGL Problems" (or whatever the thread was called) thread in question?

No?

Then what the nutballs did was off-topic and served no other purpose then attempting to derail legitimate complaints with "Ooh! A girl! Let's all act like typical geeks!"


And man, I find these "scary" threats about Frank losing his livlihood hilarious. It's like something out of a Mel Gibson rant - you were accusing him earlier of not providing any proof at all, and now you're accusing him of revealing documents illegally. All while making equally unsupported claims yourself.

[Caldazar]

First, she only got paid well after the fact...

Pardon me, what does all of this have to do with the release of confidential proprietary information by an individual with close intimate ties to individuals who seek to undermine and discredit CGL in order to cause them to lose the licenses for Shadowrun and BattleTech for their own personal gain? It doesn't.

I commend Jennifer for standing up for what is hers. I believe she should have taken a different route to seek restitution, but that's me.

Frank's involvement is for his own personal gain. Trollman is using others to further his own personal agenda. He stated as much in numerous posts here, Rpg.net, and Dumpshock. His actions of calling printers and Topps prove this true. If you notice he has not refuted this either.

Your inability to understand what I am discussing falls on your lack of clarity of the situation because of your bias towards the entire situation.

[DragonChild]

Oh, of course, the woman's at fault. She asked for it.

Where do we hear this usually?

Of course. Remember, if someone mentions they have a bellybutton ring in one thread, that gives you total right to demand she show pictures of her exposed body in another thread. ESPECIALLY if that other thread is concearned about her not being paid money for work she did.

[Caldazar]

I'm struggling to understand why Caldazar would bring his shit over to these boards. If he considers us Frank's "Troops" it seems retarded to even post here. Trolling perhaps?

My purpose for posting on this message board concerns the flagrant and illegal release of confidential proprietary information by an individual with close intimate ties to individuals who seek to undermine and discredit CGL in order to cause them to lose the licenses for Shadowrun and BattleTech for their own personal gain. My task requires this of me, therefore I shall execute my assignment with due diligence.

[Caldazar]

Oh, of course, the woman's at fault. She asked for it.

Where do we hear this usually?

Fuchs, this is what I expect from you. An attorney of your (supposed) quality should no better than to read into a clear and concise statement I made regarding the allegation of sexual harassment.

[Caldazar]

Trollman, you are delusional. Jennifer Harding first mentioned she had the belly ring and played it up with those who talked about it on Dumpshock.

Was it in the "CGL Problems" (or whatever the thread was called) thread in question?

No?

Then what the nutballs did was off-topic and served no other purpose then attempting to derail legitimate complaints with "Ooh! A girl! Let's all act like typical geeks!"


And man, I find these "scary" threats about Frank losing his livlihood hilarious. It's like something out of a Mel Gibson rant - you were accusing him earlier of not providing any proof at all, and now you're accusing him of revealing documents illegally. All while making equally unsupported claims yourself.

Your compliant is misdirected. You should take your beef to those who perpetrated this alleged problem to the source, Dumpshock. Stop trying to muddy the waters to cover up for others who are actively involved in activities to destroy the livelihood of people who work to put out product to support the fan base and their families. Alternatively, is that too difficult for you to attempt to do?

[Caldazar]

Oh, of course, the woman's at fault. She asked for it.

Where do we hear this usually?

Of course. Remember, if someone mentions they have a bellybutton ring in one thread, that gives you total right to demand she show pictures of her exposed body in another thread. ESPECIALLY if that other thread is concearned about her not being paid money for work she did.

Ah now I believe I understand why you are acting in this manner. Your progressiveness is showing; however, no matter how you try to spin it, does not make it true. Although, one can continue to make such statements that they will end up believing their own spin.

[Caldazar]

...but he has succinctly reminded everyone that Loren Coleman, his conspirators, and his supporters are a bunch of amoral scumsucking fuckwits.

Good job, buddy!

Funny you should bring up morality, especially in a thread where people willfully wish harm to others for the sake of revenge and vengeance. Especially when it is based on conjecture, supposition, assumptions, and disinformation. The calibration of your personal moral barometer is questionable. Judge not, less you be judged.

[DragonChild]

Let's put the insults away and make this clear.

-You claimed that posting the "The Corruption" plot outline was illegal. Prove it.
-You claimed that Frank posted it online, or at least stated it as a heavy possibility. Prove it. Note that you then immediately claimed that Frank was not required to post it online, making your statement kind of illogical.
-You claimed that Jennifer Harding sent Frank a document that she wrote for him to post online in order to get revenge. This is kind messed-up, but whatever. Prove it.
-You claimed that Frank had posted "sensative information" online illegally. Prove it.

Not any "presumptions", which you are correctly stating are not worthwhile.

Ah now I believe I understand why you are acting in this manner. Your progressiveness is showing; however, no matter how you try to spin it, does not make it true. Although, one can continue to make such statements that they will end up believing their own spin.

I love how you use "progressiveness" as an insult, and I'm being "progressive" by suggesting that people shouldn't drag things from one thread to another and demand a woman show them revealing pictures when it's not on topic.

Are you REALLY claiming that's OK, or are you just backing away from your earlier defense and attempting to change the subject?

Your inability to understand what I am discussing falls on your lack of clarity of the situation because of your bias towards the entire situation.

Incorrect. I claimed that she was having those statements at her when she was talking about how she wasnt' being paid. You then said "She was paid!". I then pointed out how she was only paid because of all the fuss in the thread the harssing statements were made in. You're now claiming that I am "unable to understand", while you're the one who's obviously twisting words and attempting to throw stuff off topic whenever you're refuted here.

[Gnosticism Is A Hoot]

Oh, of course, the woman's at fault. She asked for it.

Where do we hear this usually?

Of course. Remember, if someone mentions they have a bellybutton ring in one thread, that gives you total right to demand she show pictures of her exposed body in another thread. ESPECIALLY if that other thread is concearned about her not being paid money for work she did.

Ah now I believe I understand why you are acting in this manner. Your progressiveness is showing; however, no matter how you try to spin it, does not make it true. Although, one can continue to make such statements that they will end up believing their own spin.

Oh no! Not the progressiveness!

Buddy, if you have a problem with progressives, you are in the wrong fucking forum.

For that matter, since you seem to have severe problems with basic rational inquiry, you are definitely in the wrong fucking forum.