Pathfinder Is Still Bad

Plebian · Post by **Plebian** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:49 pm

ICv2 has never and will never mean a goddamn thing

seriously they say this shit is based off of "interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers" and then release those incredibly silly little charts. there's nothing about actual numbers or what their methodology is. it's the equivalent of some fatbeard stroking his whiskers and saying "hmmm yess based on a few people I've talked to I can say definitively that X is doing better than Y across the nation"

in other words please stop taking ICv2 as proving any point about sales

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:53 pm

Plebian wrote:in other words please stop taking ICv2 as proving any point about sales

Hear, hear! Let's get back to intelligent discussions like how many millions there are in "hundreds of thousands".

Plebian · Post by **Plebian** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:57 pm

hogarth wrote:
Plebian wrote:in other words please stop taking ICv2 as proving any point about sales
Hear, hear! Let's get back to intelligent discussions like how many millions there are in "hundreds of thousands".

is this supposed to make sense?

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:25 pm

Plebian wrote:
hogarth wrote:
Plebian wrote:in other words please stop taking ICv2 as proving any point about sales
Hear, hear! Let's get back to intelligent discussions like how many millions there are in "hundreds of thousands".
is this supposed to make sense?

You haven't been around here long enough. It's a reference to a retarded argument made by TitanumDragon. I don't remember the specifics, but he was basically referencing 4E sales figures and saying "hundreds of thousands" sounds bigger than "millions".

Aharon · Post by **Aharon** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:47 pm

The specifics are found in the Dark Sun thread, found here.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:43 pm

By the way, apropos of the "My Little Pony" talk recently, there's this:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?569 ... hell-Paizo

Bobikus · Post by **Bobikus** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:49 pm

hogarth wrote:By the way, apropos of the "My Little Pony" talk recently, there's this:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?569 ... hell-Paizo

Not sure why people are claiming it's an April Fool's Joke when it was done almost a week ago on an MLP fansite.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:13 pm

hogarth wrote:Hear, hear! Let's get back to intelligent discussions like how many millions there are in "hundreds of thousands".

Let's not; it sounds too close to the political arguments where someone talks about reductions of "hundreds of millions" as a way to seriously reduce a deficit of over a trillion.

I mean hundreds of thousands and millions are only off by a factor of 10, not 10,000.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:01 am

Thanks to the reworking of of how the level loss works, True Rezzy is ONLY useful if you don't have even a scrap of the corpse.

If you have a complete corpse; Raise Dead + Gr Resto. Scrolls cost 13,400 gp. Casting time 2 min

If the vic has been dead awhile, killed by a death effect, or you only have a peice of the body, (Disintegrate dust counts); Ressy + Resto. Scrolls cost 13,975. Casting time 11 min

True Rezzy, Scroll costs 28,825 (more than double) casting time 10 min.

True Rezzy can restore elementals and outsiders, which, IMO, is the primary function of the spell now.

If you really want to raise on the cheap, you can get a Raise Dead and two Restos. But you can't use both Restos in the same week.

Just another little change to keep track of.

Juton · Post by **Juton** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:52 am

I find 'True Rezzy' really obnoxious sounding. That's all I take away from that.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:08 am

Bobikus wrote:
hogarth wrote:By the way, apropos of the "My Little Pony" talk recently, there's this:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?569 ... hell-Paizo
Not sure why people are claiming it's an April Fool's Joke when it was done almost a week ago on an MLP fansite.

So in other words, even their AF joke was just stolen from someone else and reprinted? That's typical for a company who just dig through other people's trash for their rules.

Swordslinger · Post by **Swordslinger** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:53 pm

Juton wrote:I'm not too surprised that D&D clawed its way back up to number 1. It's a bit frustrating that ICv2 doesn't post the actual figures, my hunch says that Pathfinder is constantly eroding WotC's market share, I'd really like to know the specifics.

I doubt it. The people playing Pathfinder are the 3.5 diehards who wouldn't have played 4E regardless of if PF existed or not. They're similar to the 2E diehards who buy games like Castles and Crusades or Hackmaster because they explicitly didn't like 3E.

What surprises me most about that table is how well Dragon Age and the 40K games are doing, and that White Wolf isn't even on the map anymore.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:00 pm

It's because nWoD sucks. It's horrible they fixed none of the mechanics, and shat upon the entire setting.

CapnTthePirateG · Post by **CapnTthePirateG** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:04 pm

To change the topic back to mechanics, a friend of mine has decided that Pathfinder is the mechanically superior successor to 3.5. He's citing some sort of reverse Oberoni fallacy (I'll get him to rephrase it later, this is from a discussion a few weeks ago and I may be misrepresenting him) that because you can't have a perfect game, you need the MC to repair it, thus mechanical problems aren't so big of a deal because it's expected the DM will fix them.

Anyway, to show how wonderful Pathfinder is at fixing wizards, I'm playing an elven diviner (level 1) with an emphasis on going first via foresight & spamming save or sucks. I might start an in the trenches thread about it, I'll let you all know how it goes.

Wrathzog · Post by **Wrathzog** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:02 pm

What surprises me most about that table is how well Dragon Age and the 40K games are doing

It's all about the Vidya Games, man.
Both Dragon Age and WH40K can pull from the video game market for customers. D&D can't because for some unfathomable reason, they haven't created a game based off of 4E yet.

2011Q1 is going to be interesting.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:10 pm

They posted some vague details on their "Beginner Box" set:

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lc5i

The 80 tokens + reusable map sounds handy, at any rate.

EDIT: The price point is $35.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/v5748btpy8kgt

Leress · Post by **Leress** » Thu May 05, 2011 5:41 pm

Wrathzog wrote:
What surprises me most about that table is how well Dragon Age and the 40K games are doing
It's all about the Vidya Games, man.
Both Dragon Age and WH40K can pull from the video game market for customers. D&D can't because for some unfathomable reason, they haven't created a game based off of 4E yet.

2011Q1 is going to be interesting.

Looks like 4E is finally getting a video game, for download.

http://www.rpgfan.com/previews/Dungeons ... aggerdale/

It's pretty much an action title like Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance.

Juton · Post by **Juton** » Thu May 05, 2011 6:38 pm

hogarth wrote:They posted some vague details on their "Beginner Box" set:

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lc5i

The 80 tokens + reusable map sounds handy, at any rate.

EDIT: The price point is $35.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/v5748btpy8kgt

Interesting tidbit in one of your links, the box set comes with "A complete set of 7 high-impact polyhedral dice". One wonders what the difference is between high-impact and regular dice. Why do they need high-impact dice, do Paizoans have a temper problem?

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Thu May 05, 2011 6:45 pm

Juton wrote: Interesting tidbit in one of your links, the box set comes with "A complete set of 7 high-impact polyhedral dice". One wonders what the difference is between high-impact and regular dice. Why do they need high-impact dice, do Paizoans have a temper problem?

I think this has to do with the edges on the dice. They have very sharp, non-curved edges. It might make them roll less, but I'm not sure.

Edit:

echoVanguard · Post by **echoVanguard** » Thu May 05, 2011 7:01 pm

RobbyPants wrote:I think this has to do with the edges on the dice. They have very sharp, non-curved edges. It might make them roll less, but I'm not sure.

This is correct.

echo

Guyr Adamantine · Post by **Guyr Adamantine** » Thu May 05, 2011 7:16 pm

Leress wrote:
Wrathzog wrote:
What surprises me most about that table is how well Dragon Age and the 40K games are doing
It's all about the Vidya Games, man.
Both Dragon Age and WH40K can pull from the video game market for customers. D&D can't because for some unfathomable reason, they haven't created a game based off of 4E yet.

2011Q1 is going to be interesting.
Looks like 4E is finally getting a video game, for download.

http://www.rpgfan.com/previews/Dungeons ... aggerdale/

It's pretty much an action title like Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance.

Dungeons and Dragons: Daggerdale

Defeat the dastardly demons delving the dangerous deeps of the Darkbad! Despair at the dread destiny awaiting you! Do the Dew!

(Seriously, the name is weird.)

Blicero · Post by **Blicero** » Thu May 05, 2011 8:27 pm

Guyr Adamantine wrote:
Dungeons and Dragons: Daggerdale

Defeat the dastardly demons delving the dangerous deeps of the Darkbad! Despair at the dread destiny awaiting you! Do the Dew!

(Seriously, the name is weird.)

I think Daggerdale is the name of a town in Forgotten Realms? Where the game is being set?

Also, I've watched trailers for this game, and, honestly, it looks like shit. The animations are terrible, and the game doesn't look primed to deliver anything new.

Guyr Adamantine · Post by **Guyr Adamantine** » Thu May 05, 2011 8:39 pm

Blicero wrote:I think Daggerdale is the name of a town in Forgotten Realms? Where the game is being set?

Also, I've watched trailers for this game, and, honestly, it looks like shit. The animations are terrible, and the game doesn't look primed to deliver anything new.

I get that. Its just that it sounds silly. At least they didn't pick Neverwinter for that one too.

Mind you, fucking FR again?

Sashi · Post by **Sashi** » Fri May 06, 2011 12:32 am

FR is just "generic D&D setting #12" as far as the computer games are concerned.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Fri May 06, 2011 9:10 am

It's interesting that their beginners kit sounds almost exactly like the 3.5 starter kit, swapping the plastic minis for cardboard tokens.