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How are you suppose to respond to abortion? When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me. I don't buy into the whole it's your body do what is best for you argument. I do judge these people and I know I shouldn't because that is wrong as well. I suppose not answering would be the most obvious solution but is it ever possible to make people realize how unfair abortion is to the little baby who can't make their own choice?
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Ugh. Okay, since you've made your position on the subject obvious, I will not try to convert you to my way of thinking. But in answer to your question as to how to respond:
How do you respond to anyone that does something you, personally, do not like? I don't say that to be facetious, I just think you need to take a moment to think about how you do respond when someone asks you something you might be against - plaids, oral sex techniques, meringue, whatever. Then, think about how you would want people that don't agree with whatever you do - play RPGs, attend church, vote for Barack Obama, etc. - to respond to you when you bring the subject up. Ideally, I hope, you would want them to be cordial, even if they disagree with you. You don't want someone to start yelling at you because you're a different religion, or because you drive a different car; and hopefully you're not the type that does the yelling at them either.
So, be polite. If the subject makes you uncomfortable, calmly explain that you have strong feelings on the subject and don't want to discuss it - if they continue, leave. No need to get into an argument.
How do you respond to anyone that does something you, personally, do not like? I don't say that to be facetious, I just think you need to take a moment to think about how you do respond when someone asks you something you might be against - plaids, oral sex techniques, meringue, whatever. Then, think about how you would want people that don't agree with whatever you do - play RPGs, attend church, vote for Barack Obama, etc. - to respond to you when you bring the subject up. Ideally, I hope, you would want them to be cordial, even if they disagree with you. You don't want someone to start yelling at you because you're a different religion, or because you drive a different car; and hopefully you're not the type that does the yelling at them either.
So, be polite. If the subject makes you uncomfortable, calmly explain that you have strong feelings on the subject and don't want to discuss it - if they continue, leave. No need to get into an argument.
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Re: abortion
While I don't like abortion, I've never heard a Pro Life solution that wasn't worse than what we have now. It's pure pragmatism for me.gezenema wrote:When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me.
gezenema, first and foremost welcome to the den.
It's generally not very friendly to people who are pro-life.
Actually that's a major understatement.
So here is the answer to your question. You respond carefully, slowly, stating your argument as objectively as possible. The person can either accept or reject your argument, but at least you have made your case.
On the den, on the other hand, you yell, call your opponent names, dismiss his arguments, reject his sources, claim you proved him false two weeks ago (when you actually just posted something so obviously bs that your opponent choose not to even give it the dignity of a response) and laugh at how stupid your opponent is and how superior you are.
(Note you will probably see many people respond to this post with "tzor does that all the time.")
It's generally not very friendly to people who are pro-life.
Actually that's a major understatement.
So here is the answer to your question. You respond carefully, slowly, stating your argument as objectively as possible. The person can either accept or reject your argument, but at least you have made your case.
On the den, on the other hand, you yell, call your opponent names, dismiss his arguments, reject his sources, claim you proved him false two weeks ago (when you actually just posted something so obviously bs that your opponent choose not to even give it the dignity of a response) and laugh at how stupid your opponent is and how superior you are.
(Note you will probably see many people respond to this post with "tzor does that all the time.")
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Well, you do have that tendancy. Do I need to dip into the link-bucket to dredge out a couple times when you blatantly ignored people that proved you wrong?
Also:
I might have extrapolated a little on that last bit, but you get the idea.
Also:
Key difference between tzor's advice and mine: I urge you not to seek confrontation and argument, but to respect the beliefs of others. Tzor just wants you to be a dick, because then you'll have done your duty and can feel better about yourself as they merrily wend their way to hell.So here is the answer to your question. You respond carefully, slowly, stating your argument as objectively as possible. The person can either accept or reject your argument, but at least you have made your case.
I might have extrapolated a little on that last bit, but you get the idea.
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tzor likes to feel special, but we all do that.(Note you will probably see many people respond to this post with "tzor does that all the time.")
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I never shouted at the people who came knocking on my door in college to tell me how great Hilary Clinton was (is it just me, or did she have the most vocal supporters? Bitches were at my door every damn day). I just said "I don't want to hear about it" and slammed the door, then resumed masturbating furiously.
There's no reason* to start an argument when somebody is just asking a question about something.
*The exception is if they're trying to buy an Apple product. Then you should compare the specs of whatever they're trying to buy with a similar device that is $100 cheaper. Unless you hate them, then you say "Yeah, I heard the iWhatever is really good."
There's no reason* to start an argument when somebody is just asking a question about something.
*The exception is if they're trying to buy an Apple product. Then you should compare the specs of whatever they're trying to buy with a similar device that is $100 cheaper. Unless you hate them, then you say "Yeah, I heard the iWhatever is really good."
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The answer was $1500 dollars cheaper for the same specs. Fuck Apple.
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*nods*
sounds about right.
sounds about right.
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Re: abortion
I don't understand the question.gezenema wrote:How are you suppose to respond to abortion?
When someone has one? When someone talks about them? When someone tries to make you have one?
What in the world does that have to do with their questions? Being selfish and horrible is not really a crime, it's a value judgment. But it has no bearing on whether a question or the answer to it are right or wrong, factually speaking.When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me.
What questions do people ask you about abortion?
Why?I don't buy into the whole it's your body do what is best for you argument.
Further...if you don't believe that you should be able to do what's best for you to your own body, how would you feel about tattoos? Drinking or drug use? Choice of medical care? Diet and exercise? Believe it or not, ALL of these issues are related.
No that's not possible, because what you have just said is not an objective truth. It is an opinion. You can never "make people realize" opinions. You can argue why you hold one, and why they should hold it as well, and after consideration of the various arguments they can decide what opinion they want to hold.but is it ever possible to make people realize how unfair abortion is to the little baby who can't make their own choice?
It is possible to realize facts, such as "the earth is round" or "China exists". It is not possible to realize what you stated, because you have demonstrated exactly 0 proof that abortion is in any way unfair to 'the little baby' who may not even exist.
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Re: abortion
I asked the autorantic moonbat for you:gezenema wrote:How are you suppose to respond to abortion? When people ask abortion questions I get so angry because it is so selfish and horrible to me. I don't buy into the whole it's your body do what is best for you argument. I do judge these people and I know I shouldn't because that is wrong as well. I suppose not answering would be the most obvious solution but is it ever possible to make people realize how unfair abortion is to the little baby who can't make their own choice?
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Tzor, I realize you can be a douche, but can you sblock that so it doesn't fuck up the entire thread?
I am judging the philosophies and decisions you have presented in this thread. The ones I have seen look bad, and also appear to be the fruit of a poisonous tree that has produced only madness and will continue to produce only madness.
--AngelFromAnotherPin
believe in one hand and shit in the other and see which ones fills up quicker. it will be the one you are full of, shit.
--Shadzar
--AngelFromAnotherPin
believe in one hand and shit in the other and see which ones fills up quicker. it will be the one you are full of, shit.
--Shadzar