Temple of the Fiscally Irresponsible Elves: IC

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:30 pm

24 Sense Motive to see if he's trying to play us.

Snapfuse waits for Drovak's questions to be answered before speaking:
"Drovak's questions are very good. Important questions. But they miss a key point. What does Thagurz need from us, and how much can he offer to get it?"

Omegonthesane · Post by **Omegonthesane** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:28 pm

[ Sense Motive 1d20+12=20 ]

The soul-forged trinket under John's undershirt rumbles as the paranoid spirit inside gives a second opinion on Thagurz' sincerity. [Flavour text for the +Sense Motive item]

John consciously pats one of his zombie attendants when Drovak points out the new orcish labour force will need training - after all, eternal unskilled labour is a corpse and some overpriced onyx away.

He rolls his eyes at Alexander's bluntness, and foolishly lets himself get irritated, colouring the tone his words come out in. [ Diplomacy 1d20+12=13 ]
"What my friend means to say, is that a good merchant provides what the customer needs, and we would have an easier time if we knew what you need... and what you have."

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:56 pm

Drovak wrote:What kinds of manufacturing is the Korbahl best suited to start providing for itself, and are there any surrounding markets that might be interested in importing excess product?

Thagurz wants coopering, wheelwrighting, and blacksmithing for the most part, but he also thinks that alchemists will want to make fabrication facilities. He's fairly vague on how that works.

Workers will likely require training. Does Thagurz feel it is better to look for local talents that can be channeled in a new direction or foreign experts?

Thagurz is dismissive of the idea of skilled labor, saying that Korbahl cannot hope to compete with Lolthwyr in productivity. "We compete against Lolthwyr not with skill but with hungry bellies. The workers deprived of jobs are weak, and must accept pickled apples for wages if that is what they are offered by the strong. We have an opportunity to destroy the wage share of labor for a generation."

Does he foresee opposition to new factories being developed? What is the risk that bad publicity for "exploiting" workers with low wages will outweigh the good publicity of combating unemployment?

The worst opposition Thagurz the Thirsty foresees is from Drow guilds. They have skilled workers, and will compete severely with Thagurz's dream of a disenfranchised work force. He does not foresee much threat from the workers themselves because "Hunger will keep them in line. As long as their choice is to not eat, they will not balk at working for food."

Are any of the bailed-out corporations interested in diversification, or are they playing conservatively?

Those companies are apparently "fools" to have allowed their labor force to escape their clutches.

[24 Sense Motive to see if he's trying to play us.
Impression is that he is sincere, but that he also definitely wants to squeeze as much power for himself out of the relationship. He seems to be in favor of betraying people generally, and probably would want to seize things as soon as he didn't think other partners were needed.]

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:42 pm

[Moar Sense Motive 24 Infodump:]

Thagurz the Thirsty wants in on Shug the Beggar's plans, because he has been convinced that they are a good deal. He however needs more clout on his "side" to keep from getting crushed by Shug. Seeing the opportunity of getting foreign investors to bring to the table with Shug, Thagurz wants very much to team up with you - at least until such a time as he doesn't need foreign investors for leverage.

For now, the plan would be to produce things that The Korbahl actually needs for its own internal functioning - industrial capital, transportation, food, and shelter. This is probably not what Shug had in mind, but it's what Thagurz wants in order to survive what he feels is an inevitable trade war with Lolthwyr.

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:18 pm

Alexander considers the offer carefully. On one hand, it is a very good deal. Strong orcs working for coppers a day, with none of the starting capital issues from using undead. And the goods he wants to make are ones that orcs are suited to making; nothing fine or complicated, just in need of back-breaking labour to make. But there was one niggling compliant in the back of his mind: Who would buy all of these goods? The ships at the harbour did not take on goods. The workers, if they were paid in apples, could not buy anything. Other governments were also doing poorly. Perhaps Shug would have plans. A meeting with him would be wise. If not, there was always the option of paying in scrip.

"I think that this plan has merit. It could make us strong and rich. If the rest of you agree, I think we should arrange a meeting with Shug and Thagurz together."

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:26 pm

Meanwhile, Silas gets a fried spider (he prefers discarding the abdomen) before engaging in some commerce. He's most interested in necessities like animal feed, preserved meats for the road and generally getting a sense of how the local agricultural scene is going. If he can get an idea what kinds of beasts of burden are available too that'd be nice--he lacks ranks in Handle Animal, but he's got got some Know. Nature ranks if that helps any.

(I would have responded to you guys earlier, but I was drafted as an emergency date for a wedding reception and there was an open bar so...)

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:28 am

Hocus tags along with silas as he does have ranks in handle animal and they can talk to some shopkeeps while their at it

Hocus asks the dockmaster to directs to the nearest butcher shop then heads their

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:41 am

The veil twitches as Drovak frowns skeptically. "It is natural that the strong prey upon the weak. But marginalizing workers into incompetence and weakness will not create the kind of mortal capital necessary for our long term plans. It is insufficient for a few individuals to become strong.

You see, Korbahl itself is weakening. Its neighbors become increasingly desperate with their own concerns, and I foresee that we may soon find ourselves in a situation where nations themselves become either predator or prey. The Korbahl must not be prey.

We Faceless desire a state strong enough to moderate consumption even while defending its holdings. Desperation would not serve. Besides, the deep forests are full of food for the moderately discerning. Who would work hard for fruit when fresh meat can be had with less effort, and somewhat more risk?"

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:52 pm

Assessing the Beasts of Thagport

Orcish beasts seem to be available in kennels, stys, and barns. The domesticated beasts seem to be mostly derivative of Wolves and Boars, but heavier work is done by domesticated Rhinos and Triceratops. For pets, the Orcs keep various smaller varieties of Wolf and Boar, but also Bats, Snakes, and Spiders.

The Barns

Rhinos and Triceratops can be coaxed into carrying a rider, and are apparently of some use on large battlefields. Mostly they are yoked to heavy loads, as they are capable of pulling several tonnes. The Triceratops yoke is affixed just behind its head horns, as this does not put undue pressure on the dinosaur's powerful neck. But for the Rhinoceros, the weight is distributed about its chest with an encompassing harness.

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Rhinos and Triceratops are too large to be brought inside homes, and are too large for some of the narrower streets. There are barns that they can be stored in in several places around town.

The Kennels

Legend has it that the Orcs domesticated Wolves before they domesticated Fire. Regardless of whether this is true, there are many breeds of Wolf in an Orcish city, many of them quite fantastic. There is the simple Gray Wolf, which is as much of a family pet as anything, though it is sometimes used for herding wool pigs or hunting. There is also a Black Wolf, which is larger and more often used as a guardian of property. The Warg is larger still, capable of being used as a riding beast, but it is rare in The Korbahl and supposedly hails from Grimsol.

Some Wolf breeds have extra appendages or heads. The Sky Wolf or Simurgh has wings, while the Death Dog and Cerberus Hound have two and three heads respectively. These breeds are very expensive comparatively, and owning one appears to be a mark of status.

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The Stys

Boars are raised for meat, for wool, for riding, and for companionship. There are different breeds of Boars just as there are different breeds of Wolves. The Wool Pig is aptly named, and their wool is clipped to make a coarse fiber that is considered deeply inferior to Spider Silk. Riding Boars are heavier than a Warg, though no longer.

The Pet Market

Shatner · Post by **Shatner** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:58 pm

This is just a post so I can subscribe to this thread; I'm very interested to see how things shake out. Sorry for the interruption. I PM'ed fbmf and had confirmed that you can't subscribed to a thread without posting to it; if I could do this without the spam, I would. Sorry.

Anyway, carry on.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:47 pm

Avoraciopoctules wrote:

The veil twitches as Drovak frowns skeptically. "It is natural that the strong prey upon the weak. But marginalizing workers into incompetence and weakness will not create the kind of mortal capital necessary for our long term plans. It is insufficient for a few individuals to become strong.

You see, Korbahl itself is weakening. Its neighbors become increasingly desperate with their own concerns, and I foresee that we may soon find ourselves in a situation where nations themselves become either predator or prey. The Korbahl must not be prey.

We Faceless desire a state strong enough to moderate consumption even while defending its holdings. Desperation would not serve. Besides, the deep forests are full of food for the moderately discerning. Who would work hard for fruit when fresh meat can be had with less effort, and somewhat more risk?"

[I'm going to call this a Diplomacy check scumming for situational bonuses. Drovak is appealing to Thagurz's xenophobia and embrace of treachery by painting neighboring states as potential threats. He wants Thagurz to recognize that weak workers with little investment in the social order are too risky, making betrayal by a neighbor state potentially devastating. There is no reason for Lolthwyr to restrain themselves to a trade war against new competitors.

Diplomacy: 1d20+11=18]

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:13 pm

"Looks like we'll have a lot of options if we need to pay someone to do serious hauling. Our bugbears will probably be fine for lighter stuff and they don't eat so damn much anyway."

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:49 pm

The Creatures of The Korbahl Continued
[Bear Lore == 20]

The forests of Korbahl have a number of creatures that are wild or mostly wild. There are spiders of many sizes from the tiny eating spiders to the massive web spinning spiders that are not domesticated but still used agriculturally. Small spiders are collected from holes in the groundin nets woven ironically from spider silk and dumped into pots of boiling filbert oil flavored with lard.

Silk spiders are not so much raised as "kept", with portions of the forest given over to their growth. Periodically, deer or boar are driven into the spider areas to make sure they have enough food. When webs are to be harvested, smoke is produced to make the giant spiders comatose so that their webbing can be collected.

Wild game is an important part of the Orcish diet, with deer, sloths, crow, and snakes hunted for food. Some of the deer are also tusked and carnivorous, though they are not considered dangerous to Orcs. Dangerous animals are also hunted for food, and to keep their numbers down to reduce their impact on settlements. The Korbahl has Owlbears, Displacer Beasts, Hydras, and Unicorns live in The Korbahl. Hydras are quite poisonous, and Displacer Beasts are considered to taste foul beyond belief.

There are Dragons in The Korbahl, which are of the Green variety. The largest is named Challex.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:38 pm

((Do orcs have a sort of locavore preference? If we improved The Korbahlin economy to the point where they could afford to import, would imported food, especially delicacies, be desired, or rejected because they weren't hunted/gathered from the Korbahl? I figure that Thane should have some idea of this since he's an orc from The Korbahl, but if you want me to roll I can))

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:51 pm

Does korbahl have a state religion? Mabe we can organize some charity programs or somthing?

flare22 · Post by **flare22** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:54 pm

Does korbahl have a state religion? Mabe we can organize some charity programs or somthing? It might not fix the underlying economic problem but we can win so points with the local populace and any plan we make will be benifited by public support. Also this economic crisis will get ugly fast if people start starving to death.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:30 am

Prak_Anima wrote:((Do orcs have a sort of locavore preference? If we improved The Korbahlin economy to the point where they could afford to import, would imported food, especially delicacies, be desired, or rejected because they weren't hunted/gathered from the Korbahl? I figure that Thane should have some idea of this since he's an orc from The Korbahl, but if you want me to roll I can))

No they do not. In fact something of the opposite. If you stamped a batch of crow meat "Grimsolian Crow", Korbahlians would probably be more likely to eat it.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:32 am

Huh, cool. Good to know.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:55 pm

Thagurz the Thirsty

Thagurz seems visible shaken by the idea of open conflict with Lolthwyr and concedes that Shug's plan of industrialization may simply take too long to keep The Korbahl from becoming a Lolthwyran colony. He says that he should probably send observers to Lolthwyr to appraise their ability to protect their markets before moving against them.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:08 pm

Drovak nods in acknowledgement, thanks Thagurz for the meeting, and indicates they will likely have more to discuss in the future. The party will send word if Shug turns out to be interested in collaboration.

Then Drovak politely excuses himself, hoping to get a few more perspectives on the Korbahl's situation before making any real commitments. The questions brought up by Thagurz's words have shifted his priorities, and Drovak's next destination is the offices of Duraweb.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:17 pm

flare22 wrote:Does korbahl have a state religion? Mabe we can organize some charity programs or somthing?

I'm going to assume this question is directed to Silas, because he is physically with you and also an accomplished master at comparative religions [Bear Lore == 26]. After all, no man can quote orthodoxy like the heretic.

The Korbahl has a super majority who follow the Acheronian Paradigm. So much so that if you don't, you're seen as either some sort of immoral freak or just treated as if you did but happened to be a member of some sect of Acheronism. So if you happen to be a Nerullite (like Silas), it's generally best to keep that to yourself, though if you pray to Nerull in public most people will just assume it's a Bane aspect they haven't heard of or something.

The Acheronian Paradigm has been rent by two separate events which are both known as "The Great Schism", but if you talk about the Schism within The Korbahl, you are almost certainly talking about the second one. The first Great Schism was between the Trinitarians (those following the three gods/triple god of Maglubiyet-Hruggek-Nomog-Geaya) and the Pervadists (those following the flaming eye of Gruumsh). There was a big fight and a lot of people were killed over whether the Trinitarians were "true" Acheronites or whether they were Pandemoniacs. This ended with the Trinitarians having a solid grip on Grimsol, and the Pervadists being masters in The Korbahl. Still, those wounds are now so old that most of the faithful don't even remember that there is such a conflict.

The more recent "Great Schism" is amongst the Pervadists, where a few hundred years ago there was an Activist reformation movement. They followed prophets and gods who preached interventionism rather than merely all seeing. And so they represented themselves with a Hand rather than with a Flaming Eye.

The sacred image of the all-seeing flaming eye at the Dark Tower of Kruul - one of the great holy sites of the Pervadists.

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Symbol of Bane, one of the great Activist heterodoxies.

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Symbol of Hextor, one of the great Activist heterodoxies

The division resulted in several wars across several nations, and some lands settled out to being all Pervadist or all Activist in nature. But The Korbahl did not. Temples to Hand or Eye denominations exist side by side, and most villages of any size will have at least a modest temple to both. Some regions have battle lines drawn clearly, but by the time you get to the coast no one much cares which temple you go to (as long as it's an Acheronian temple, because what else would it be?), and marriages between followers of the Hand and followers of the Eye happen on a regular basis. There's even a mystery cult that tries to heal the Schism with a lot of obfuscation and agnosticism called Vecnaism, where they claim to follow both the Hand and the Eye.

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A carving of Vecna's Hand and Eye united.

Regardless of whether you read the Hand or Eye texts, it's a pretty brutal religion. The Apocalypse of Bane is considered to be an important chapter of the scriptures by most (but not all) Handists (only chin stroking theologians still call them Activists), but Gruumsh's Revelation of Might is in all the versions. Might is Right, and if you don't like it you can Fight.

If Urkad is anything to go by, were the Handists to actually take control of things, they would quickly turn on each other and Baneites and Hextorists would brand each other traitors and heretics. Inquisitions would form and there would be much gnashing of teeth. But in The Korbahl, no Handist denomination much cares what version of Hand scripture you read from. May have something to do with being a minority faith in The Korbahl and the state religion in Urkad.

The Case For Charity

If you are looking for scriptural support to be against charitable giving, you do not have to look very hard. There are over a hundred verses about crushing the weak in most versions of the Acheronian holy text, and many of them seem to portray it in an unambiguously positive light. Strength is good, Weakness is bad, and the religion is fairly clear on that point whether the altar has a black fist, a flaming eye, or a triangle of weapons.

It being religion, there is however wiggle room. Weakness is bad, and helping those who are currently weak makes them less weak. Which would be... good? There's a passage in one of the early chapters on Gruumsh's Revelations about eating pork that is traditionally interpreted as being a commonsense piece of advice about limiting gluttony, but which radical Balancers take as evidence that the Strong should give to support the Weak. Basically, there's a parable about a chief who passed out after eating too much and gets messily stabbed to death by a captive concubine, but the moral at the end is that Gruumsh says "Your First plate of pork makes you Strong, but your Fifth plate of pork makes you slow."

The most extreme Balancer interpretation of that is that everyone needs to give up 20% of what they take in with the proceeds being used to give food to the weak and stuff. Apparently there's a Balancer cult compound where they actually do that.

-Username17

Omegonthesane · Post by **Omegonthesane** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:35 pm

John doesn't much contribute to the rest of the discussion with Thagurz, but makes a point to Drovak, Thane, and Alexander after they've left.

"If it did come to a war, the Korbahl would have the home ground advantage. Forest's not suited to the same battle tactics as fields or caves, leastways not the way I remember it. Nothing like a common enemy to make people work together, too." Untrained in real deception, he lets a hint of contempt slip through for people in general, for being so willing to fall in line - but only a little, not everyone was like him. Not everyone's dreams had a recommended retail price measured in oceans. Of course, Drovak was an exception - both for that and to avoid weakening his point, he left out the little bit where war devastated the place it took place in.

Nonetheless he and his zombies follow the druid to Duraweb - surely they have some plans. And possibly some startup capital.

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:14 pm

Replying to John:
"I doubt very much that the leaders of the surface world would tolerate a drow invasion of the Korbhal. They wouldn't want to be beholden to the drow guilds just to by wood, now would they? Still... All this talk of war may well do the economy a wonder, if we can get the Directorate to believe it. If there's one thing that orcs will never stop buying, it's weapons to fight elves with."

While John and Drovak go looking for spiders, Alexander heads to go meet up with the ghouls and find out where they party would be staying tonight. Hopefully somewhere that allows undead to be stabled and won't bat an eye at his foreign money.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:41 pm

Thane had stayed quiet, simple listening. When all the best questions are taken, it's better to hear the answers than try to come up with more. "The Korbahl could, conceivably, unite under a strong leader, and the bounty of The Korbahl could be quite helpful in a war. Giant spiders, dragons, beasts of great size. Take any horse mounted knight, and put them against a Korbahlin orc on a triceratops, and that knight's odds are not good. Wars are expensive though. Let us avoid them unless we have a solid end plan."

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:21 am

Drovak nods to John and Alexander as they head through town.

"Perceptive. Yes, I don't think Lolthwyr could effectively conquer the Korbahl unless a significant number of orcs actually supported them. Loot cities, perhaps, but not maintain control over the territory. However, the dark elves are enough of a credible threat that fear might give our arguments more weight.

Honestly, Sweland is the only invasion I'd really be worried about. They wouldn't care for the value of the silk spiders at all. Burning our quite flammable forests to the ground would eliminate much of our assets, give them a military advantage, and create the fertile farmlands they are looking for. But... they're short. Individually weak, and superficially disorganized. People won't take that seriously. Lolthwyr's guilds are a player people actually pay attention too.

... The importance of the Guilds could affect the next move I've got planned. Duraweb has the contacts to bring in experts capable of training Korbahl workers. It remains to be seen whether we can convince them that's a good idea."