Akula wrote:You ever hear the quote, "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."? Equal application is a kind of fairness, it is not a going to give fair outcomes. You seem to be unable to grasp this point: fairness depends on how you define fair.
Have you ever understood that quote. Because spoiler alert, the entire fucking point of that quote was to demonstrate that the law was not in fact acting equally.
Akula wrote:A duel is a fight between two people, so the ability that sometimes results in a duel but is often used to do something completely different is a worse duel than the ability that is always a fight between two people? After all it isn't like poppy's target gets any protection from poppy's team, so it is never a duel under your own definition if poppy's team joins in. Having a fight between dueled people is more important than excluding some non-zero number of people.
You have the em
phasis on the wrong
syllableword. The key word is two people. If there is a third person involved ever at any point, it is not a duel. If your ability actively encourages you to use it only when other people are around it is not a fucking duel ever. If Poppy is caught out chasing a kill she can duel the person she is chasing, and finish them off before dying. This is creating a duel where otherwise there would not be one by excluding people. Poppy often uses her ult to fucking 1v1 someone while her team does other things. Thus poppy ever at all uses her ability to actually duel people when without her ability no duel would occur. As opposed to an ability that does not ever do that.
When he says game x is better than game y, the burden of proof is on him, when you don't say game y is better than game x the burden of proof is on not you but I try to pin it on you anyway because I am an idiot. And you don't straight up say that league is better than dota in the sections that I quoted, but I am too stupid to understand that.
Fixed that for you.
Then you asserted that Legion Commander was badly designed, you have to prove this.
No, then I asserted that Rammus was a better designed taunt champion, and I did prove this.
And then talked about how Dota, not LC, but Dota itself was badly designed. You also have to prove that.
No I fucking didn't. Watch.
Retarded Monkey Shit That Happens To Be Named Akula For Reasons Totally Unrelated To The Fact That I Think You Are Stupid: "Hey you person who says you enjoyed playing [obscure class based RPG game A] over [obscure class based game B] because the classes are better designed!"
Proxy For Me: Yes?
RMSTHTBNAFRTUTTFTITYAS: You should play D&D 3.5 instead, because it has the best class design EVER.
PFM: Why do you say that?
RMSTHTBNAFRTUTTFTITYAS: Well it has this one class, called the Monk, and this class has a whole bunch of eclectic abilities that are all mostly useless and don't synergize well and it has defensive abilities that help it watch the rest of the party die but no offensive abilities to contribute.
PFM: Hmmm. That actually sounds like D&D 3.5 has terrible class design. One might even call it shitty.
Person Who Is Proxy For You The Real Akula And Not The One Named For A Reason Unrelated To Your Idiocy: WAAARRRRGARRRAAALLLLLBBBBBARRRRRGGGGLLLL! You are and idiot because you have insulted my precious
vija gameTableTop RPG. How can you possibly say that D&D 3.5 has shitty class design when you have not purchased the game and read it cover to cover and played it for years like I have! You are not entitled to an opinion on the whole game!
PFM: Well that is nice and all, but my comment was pretty obviously directed at the specific argument just fucking made to convince me, and only a commentary on the specific
championclass design presented so far as representing the best that the game had to offer, and not a declaration of total knowledge of the game.
PWIPFYTRAANTONFARUTYI: But when I take your response to their arguments completely out of context and refuse to understand the obvious flow of the conversation I can make it sound like you tried to make a definitive statement about the entire game. Doesn't that mean you actually did say the thing I want to argue against and that you are wrong?
PFM: No. It does not. Let me construct a hypothetical example conversation to show you that will have absurd sentences for names and will recursively end in the proxy for me suggesting he make a proxy argument.
See.
Ammumu has a gap closing CC called bandage toss, a spamable nuke called tantrum. He isn't on your list because?
Ammumu, coming relatively early in your list, I deleted because he so clearly does not fit the implication of your stupid accusation that the three abilities every champions gets are the three things you said. I quickly abandoned that method when I realized it would remove too many champions, so I started letting champions stay on like hecarim with his "gab closer" that is a slight movement speed, and his "cc" that is a gently tapping discplacement when you use your "gap closer" on the same ability, even though you'll note that gives him a whole nother ability slot open to have something completely different.
Or is your contention that someone who has a 1 second bandage toss that does lots of damage and 2 other abilities on W/E is exactly the same as someone who has a 1 second bandage toss that does lots of damage and has two other completely different abilities on W/E?
And what does Twisted Fate's ult do if not close the gap?
Teleport him to a completely fucking different place that he was no where near before on a delay. I mean, when you are chasing someone, you want to close the gap. When you are half way across the map, the teleport spell used on a ward behind them is not a gap closer. Also gives enemy locations.
But in addition to TF's ult being in no way accurately described as a gap closer, even if his ult was a gap closer, he still wouldn't fit your accusation because a gap closer on the ult with a several minute cooldown is not in any way remotely related to your accusation that the three abilities that every champion gets are 1, 2, 3, those three things. If someone has an ult that is a gap closer CC, then obviously you cannot talk about how they are the same as jax with his three abilities that are separately a nuke, a gab closer, and CC, because they have two fucking abilities that are completely different things that jax does not have.
You deleted a bunch of heroes that fit my criteria for no reason.
No, I deleted zero champions that fit the spirit of your original accusation, and at least one but probably not a lot of champions that may technically arguably have all three of those abilities, even though they also have other abilities that differentiate them substantially because they have gap closers and CC on the same ability.