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Laertes wrote:I'd recommend primary sources as being the best way to learn about how a culture actually saw itself.
But... you don't give a rat's ass how the culture saw itself. What's important is how the culture of today sees how it was now. That's why the realities of life during or before the Tokugawa Shogunate or even the legends from the period don't mean dick. The actual important thing is the legends about those time periods told by modern people.

So the correct choice is not to read a bunch of translations of period epic poetry. That shit is a waste of your fucking time. The correct choice is to watch children's cartoons from the present day that happen to feature samurai. So Blade of the Stranger or Gintama is like a million times more relevant to your game design than actual books written by real 17th century duelists.

Especially because you're wanting characters who can "level up" and compete with Maho Shojou who can mass resurrect the dead and shit, you need to find source material that displays samurai competing on that level.

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But... you don't give a rat's ass how the culture saw itself. What's important is how the culture of today sees how it was now. That's why the realities of life during or before the Tokugawa Shogunate or even the legends from the period don't mean dick. The actual important thing is the legends about those time periods told by modern people.
Fuck that. The PCs aren't Japanese schoolkids watching anime, they're anime samurai characters living in an anime samurai world where everything is anime samurai. Either way, to the individual PC, the world is naturalistic. People are divided into strict castes and if you have a sword then your skill at it is determined by the strength of your soul and that's the laws of physics to them so that colours their expectations of the world and their decision making.

Your PC isn't going to see an ikko-ikki agitator and think, "Woah, cool, we don't have those in our world, let me explore it." They're going to think "holy shit, who let this motherfucker preach here? We'd better deal with it so we don't get a rebellion on our hands." Or rather, to the extent that they pick the first and don't pick the second, what the player is reacting to is the novelty of the fictional world and not its depth, and so rather than getting sucked deeper in as they get used to it they'll get bored of it and want to move on.

For a world to be meaningful and interesting to play in time after time, it needs to be centred around how people in that world see it and see themselves. If all it's based on is how we see them, then as the players get used to seeing through the characters' eyes the world will gradually become more and more hollow and unsatisfying.
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Laertes wrote: For a world to be meaningful and interesting to play in time after time, it needs to be centred around how people in that world see it and see themselves. If all it's based on is how we see them, then as the players get used to seeing through the characters' eyes the world will gradually become more and more hollow and unsatisfying.
Games based on strict historicity have not, generally, been a raging success. FVLMINATA was a carefully researched game written by people who actually knew Latin and studied Roman history, and wanted to make a game that was "like real historical Rome, except with gunpowder." And they did, and no one really gave too much of a fuck, because the number of gaming groups composed mainly of Classical History majors is pretty small.

King Arthur may never have existed, and if he did exist he certainly did not have plate armor (invented centuries after the time periods when his existence is even possible) or the code of chivalry. If you say you're running a game about the Knights of the Round Table, however, you probably do have those things, because they're a big part of our cultural conception of King Arthur. And if you do have an Arthurian game where the characters all wear rusty chain mail, ride lousy horses and are just as ruthless and brutal as any other warlords of Late Antiquity, you are probably going to refer to that with some adjectives other than "Arthurian" to be sure everyone is clear on what it's about.

It's not that the world has to reflect the preconceptions of the players exclusively -- but it does need to be a place that they are mentally able to inhabit without the game going completely off the rails. If you have a group that's okay with reading and digesting Musashi and Yamamoto Tsunetomo, or better yet has already done so, then go crazy. In the more likely event that your group does not want any part of that shit, then it is probably advisable to reference world-building material that they're already aware of.
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talozin wrote:Games based on strict historicity have not, generally, been a raging success. FVLMINATA was a carefully researched game written by people who actually knew Latin and studied Roman history, and wanted to make a game that was "like real historical Rome, except with gunpowder." And they did, and no one really gave too much of a fuck, because the number of gaming groups composed mainly of Classical History majors is pretty small.
I agree. That's why I said basing it on the stories rather than the reality is important. When we run modern day games they generally don't consist of carefully researched montages of accountants doing people's taxes, and their gunfights and car chases tend to be closer to the conventions of movies and action novels than what they're actually like.

What matters is that it's self consistent and naturalistic, and "movie reality" can do that just as well as "mundane reality."
It's not that the world has to reflect the preconceptions of the players exclusively -- but it does need to be a place that they are mentally able to inhabit without the game going completely off the rails. If you have a group that's okay with reading and digesting Musashi and Yamamoto Tsunetomo, or better yet has already done so, then go crazy. In the more likely event that your group does not want any part of that shit, then it is probably advisable to reference world-building material that they're already aware of.
Building a world isn't a hurdle. Seriously. I basically do it anew before every campaign I run. It's a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun and I know people who do it as a hobby even without running the games.

As such, there's no reason to say "this world concept isn't something that most groups would like." As long as one group in the world would go ape over it, and you're running for that group, you should totally do it and let every other group fend for themselves.
King Arthur may never have existed, and if he did exist he certainly did not have plate armor (invented centuries after the time periods when his existence is even possible) or the code of chivalry. If you say you're running a game about the Knights of the Round Table, however, you probably do have those things, because they're a big part of our cultural conception of King Arthur.
I think we're agreeing with one another. Arthurian games should be based on the stories that knights told about themselves. Even better than that, they should be based on the stories about knights that were told by the members of the knightly caste in the twilight years of their caste's existence, when they were slowly assimilating into the general populace but wanted to have a cultural touchstone of Ye Goldene Age. It's the culturally sanitised, beautified, Potemkinised version of history. This is precisely what Hagakure is, except with samurai instead of knights.
And if you do have an Arthurian game where the characters all wear rusty chain mail, ride lousy horses and are just as ruthless and brutal as any other warlords of Late Antiquity, you are probably going to refer to that with some adjectives other than "Arthurian" to be sure everyone is clear on what it's about.
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Yeah, in 2004 they made a movie about King Arthur being a Roman dude and running around with period equipment and shit. Despite the fact that it has Keira Knightley dressed in blue paint, that movie is fucking terrible. Here, let me share with you some of the reviews it gets from Rotten Tomatoes:
If this is history demystified, give me myth.
...remains an instantly forgettable, wannabe epic.
In seeking to demythify the Arthur legends, the filmmakers wind up creating a new mythology, one that is probably just as fanciful as those it attempts to replace.
Basically: fuck raelizarm. Fuck it hard. You aren't telling a story that is set in the actual past, you're telling a story that is set in actual stories. So King Arthur looks like this:

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and samurai look like this:

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And if that makes you get a realism based hate boner, then that's tough shit.

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talozin
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Post by talozin »

Laertes wrote: I think we're agreeing with one another. Arthurian games should be based on the stories that knights told about themselves. Even better than that, they should be based on the stories about knights that were told by the members of the knightly caste in the twilight years of their caste's existence, when they were slowly assimilating into the general populace but wanted to have a cultural touchstone of Ye Goldene Age. It's the culturally sanitised, beautified, Potemkinised version of history. This is precisely what Hagakure is, except with samurai instead of knights.
I don't entirely agree with that, so let me pull back a little and suggest an alternative: Arthurian games should be based on the stories that the people at the table think are thematically "Arthurian." If that, to the people at one particular table, means going full Malory, then that is probably the right thing to do. If it means watching "Excalibur" and having everybody's armor made out of polished chrome and the King's magic sword glows green, then that, too, is probably the right thing to do. If your group starts out thinking the latter but you can talk them into the former, that's also fine. But it would be a mistake to run Game A for a group that wants Game B, and vice versa.

And so too with samurai games. (And all games, really.) I don't have an issue with a game based on Yamamoto's musings on the code of the samurai death, I just don't think it's a good general recommendation because few groups are either intellectually prepared to play that game or willing to make the effort to become so. And if you do have such a group, you probably do not need to ask strangers on the internet what material to base your samurai campaign on.
And if you do have an Arthurian game where the characters all wear rusty chain mail, ride lousy horses and are just as ruthless and brutal as any other warlords of Late Antiquity, you are probably going to refer to that with some adjectives other than "Arthurian" to be sure everyone is clear on what it's about.
I want to play in that game.
Isn't that basically low-level D&D? :p
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talozin wrote:I don't entirely agree with that, so let me pull back a little and suggest an alternative: Arthurian games should be based on the stories that the people at the table think are thematically "Arthurian." If that, to the people at one particular table, means going full Malory, then that is probably the right thing to do. If it means watching "Excalibur" and having everybody's armor made out of polished chrome and the King's magic sword glows green, then that, too, is probably the right thing to do. If your group starts out thinking the latter but you can talk them into the former, that's also fine. But it would be a mistake to run Game A for a group that wants Game B, and vice versa.
Point conceded.

To link it back to the original post: Drolyt, what sort of game do *you* want to run? What level of immersion do you think your players want?
talozin, abridged wrote:because few groups are either intellectually prepared to play that game or willing to make the effort to become so.
That's the most melancholy thing I've read all day. What makes it even worse is that it's probably true.
And if you do have such a group, you probably do not need to ask strangers on the internet what material to base your samurai campaign on.
I read Drolyt's original post as less of a "hey guys, please help me because I can't do this alone" and more of a "hey guys, here's a cool thing I'm doing, do you want to get involved so everyone has more fun having a badass group project?"
Isn't that basically low-level D&D? :tongue:
I'm not a D&D player, so to me that sounds more like WFRP. Which is a good thing because I adore WFRP.
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FrankTrollman wrote:Basically: fuck raelizarm. Fuck it hard. You aren't telling a story that is set in the actual past, you're telling a story that is set in actual stories. So King Arthur looks like this:

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And if that makes you get a realism based hate boner, then that's tough shit.
While everyone should agree that this
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is not the King Arthur that players are going to connect with, I'd like to add a corollary that if you running a fantasy game where you're actually expected to fight wizards and dragons and shit your King Aurthur should probly look more like this
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darkmaster wrote:No, they shouldn't because, that is not what actual fantasy samurai are like. You can argue that's what fantasy Samurai should be but actual Japanese people will think you're weird for it in the same way westerners would think you're weird if you said the archetypal knight should be a morally ambiguous psychopath who goes around butchering peasants out of boredom.

You might personally think it's cliche, but things become cliche because they're good and fucking with people's archetypes is usually a recipe for disaster especially when you want that archetype to resonate with people on a personal level so they personally enjoy walking in its skin.

So you really really do want kenshin or Mitsuhide from Samurai warriors.
Not saying they should be uber dark or psychopathic, just try and be a bit different. The Gempei war is full of stuff that would be fun to turn into magic. Uber archery, holding a bridge full of arrows while desperately waiting to let your comrade commit suicide. Nobunaga won outnumbered 10 to 1 by slipping into the enemy camp under the cover of a rainstorm and killing the enemy daimyo. In short, magic gold.

In part this is because you really should keep the wuxia and magic samurai shit to Ninjas and Youxia (Chinese knights errant), keep everybody a little different. Here's kind of how I would structure the powers. Kept it generic since I don't really know d20 and don't know the system you want. This is just for some ideas, haven't put too much thought into this.

Innate:
Weapon Master- Samurai can use any weapon without an untrained penalty. They use their highest weapon skill to hit with any weapon.

Armor bane- Samurai are trained from early childhood on how to fight armored opponents. If the samurai can grapple an enemy, they can then use their knife to hit for X dam (big shit). Against non human armored enemies, they can find weak spots if given X rounds, ect.

Balance: Samurai cannot use more than two powers from one group in a row.

Shinto:
Whispers of the Kami- by concentrating and listening to the chatter of the spirits around him, a samurai can immediately sense anything within X range of him. Any opponents attempting to do a surprise attack are instead surprised themselves.

Daemonic Fear- by channeling the Oni through his mask, the samurai can appear to be a walking daemon come to judge the souls of the damned. All enemies must pass an (morale/courage/x) test or retreat x range.

Gales of fury- channeling the power of the kami through his war fan, the samurai summons a great wind, all people with X range must take X dam from the thrown debris and are pushed back X.

"Shinto" powers would concentrate on controlling traffic and gaining space.

Buddhist powers

Whirlwind of death- If the samurai kills an enemy, they can immediately move to any enemy with X range and strike them too. This chain continues until the samurai fails to kill in one blow. If the enemy is holding a weapon that does more damage than his, the samurai can also take it and use it immediately.

Windmill- If using a polearm, the samurai can use his weapon skill to block ranged weapons.

Arrow Time- The samurai can use all his concentration to go into a hyper aware state. For X rounds he always goes first and has a bonus to attack and dodge. Upon leaving the state, however, he is disoriented and vulnerable.

Buddhist is basically rage, pummeling one opponent.

Confucian/Ancestor Worship

Noble Lineage- Calling upon the samurai of old, they can loudly proclaim their family tree and advance towards an enemy. That enemy must target the samurai for the next x rounds.

Arrow of the Ancestors- A ghostly bow appears in the samurai's hand and he can use it to do x kind of different hits.

Honor the clan- The samurai ignores wounded penalties and can take an additional x amount of damage past that where he would die. If he kills an enemy past death, the spirits of his clan consider him worthy of living longer and heal him to 1 hp (or equivalent).

Confucian/Ancestor powers are meant to tank damage and draw in an enemy. The bow is mostly designed to synergize with Shinto.

So all in all, this is kind of how I see samurai. Heavily armored, neutral Jedi knights. Save the crouching tiger hidden dragon stuff for the ninja and youxia.
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