Minor game stuff from around the web for commentary...

[Mistborn]

You know the Zak followed up his pig fucking comment with a "you know those nerds they get so bent out of shape about things", that was pretty great. You can practically taste his lack of self awareness.

[PhoneLobster]

You know the Justin followed up his pig fucking comment with a "you know those nerds they get so bent out of shape about things", that was pretty great. You can practically taste his lack of self awareness.

More specifically he noted, as a person involved with 5E during it's development, that persons involved with 5E during it's development were "nerds with no lives".

[deaddmwalking]

I'm not the fig plucker,
Nor the fig pluckers' son,
But I'll pluck figs
Till the fig plucker comes.

[Kaelik]

You know the Zak followed up his pig fucking comment with a "you know those nerds they get so bent out of shape about things", that was pretty great. You can practically taste his lack of self awareness.

Well you have to remember that Justin Bieber is a nice kind man who treats everyone with respect and definitely doesn't think people who play RPGs differently than him are playing the game wrong, because that would violate his left handed scissors fap session. But he does think they are pig fuckers.

You know, I think Justin Beiber may be the first person ever who actually wanted us to call him stupid instead of his rules stupid. Because every time you point out his rule is bad he goes on one of his tirades about left handed scissors and he likes so it is perfect. But everyone who likes rules he doesn't like is a racist pig fucker. So like, would he just not care if people said "Your rule is perfect for you, because you are a racist pigfucker, and this rule is acceptable for only racist pigfuckers"?

[Kaelik]

That's why Zak's name happens to be listed on 5E D&D instead of Frank's or anyone else here.

Yeah, that is pretty much the worst possible argument you could make. The two people mentioned are Zak S and RPGPundit. If you said "Rich Burlew" or "Whatever idiot runs ENWorld" or maybe even "JaronK" you might have an argument that it had to do with them being nice.

But no, I'm pretty sure they didn't pick the guy who calls you a filthy racist pigfucker and wall of texts your into ignoring him with just like a pile of accusations and insults if you dare to allege he is less than the One True Glorious Prophet because he was nice. Nor did they pick the guy who's one actual claim to fame is popularizing the term "storygame [EDITED]" (The thing you light on fire that is a derogatory name for homosexuals) because he is nice and they wanted some fucking hugbox friends.

They picked them because both of those people already wrote things they agreed with, IE, rules are bad and you should feel bad for having rules or criticizing the rules written by them makes you a terrible person.

Fuck, you could even have had a credit if you wanted. You fit all the categories:

1) Whine about how rules don't need to be written well and there is no such thing as a better ruleset.
2) Constantly level absurdly stupid insults at broad generalizations of people.
3) Hypocritically don't notice that specific insults against you are actually way less offensive than the general insults you throw out all the time.

[Zak S]

#Joylessly. @Zak S.

So the people who don't enjoy your game, you're happy to kick those assholes out, but funnily enough everyone who plays in your game enjoys it so you don't have to.

Because. People. Who play in your game. But don't enjoy it. Stop playing all on their own.

Find such people. Find them and go "You quit Zak's game because you wanted to optimize and Zak made you feel like an asshole right?" and see how hard you get laughed at.

[tussock]

Oh, Zak. It's a truism. People play RPGs for safe fun and drama and challenge and community and shit. If they're going to have more of that elsewhere, they stop turning up. If someone really likes the character optimisation minigame, and your game doesn't include it, they can go elsewhere all on their own, without you "making them feel" anything, without them making you feel anything.

Me too, everyone too, not just RPGs, life. It's just what happens. That the people who are in your game like it is not a sign of anything other than how people keep doing the things they like and not the things they don't like. Obviously the real world's a bit of a compromise, but overall.


I mean, I did once kick a guy out of a game, but he was very unhappy, he just wasn't well enough to walk away.

[PhoneLobster]

Find such people. Find them and go "You quit Justin's game because you wanted to optimize and Justin made you feel like an asshole right?" and see how hard you get laughed at.

Essentially you just said "You can go find people who dislike my games. But then they will laugh at you.".

You can't even construct a single tiny childish denial without tripping over your tiny intellect made of narcissistic fantasy and breaking internal consistency. Either we can't find people who dislike your games, OR we find people who DO like your games (and presumably are then still IN them) who laugh at criticism of you. You don't get to mash together both those thing.

I suspect the unforced error arises because of an internal bit of cognitive dissonance. You know there are people who have left your games, but you want to believe they really liked your games and totally think you are as awesome as you think you are. Even though for some reason they left. Even though they didn't have to.

That contradiction leads to your deluded confusion where you imagine we can totally track down anyone who has voluntarily chosen to stop playing a game they greatly enjoyed for no apparent reason and they will actively and passionately defend your perfect GMing record by humiliating people you do not like. Not just say "no, it was OK, just not my thing", but like spit in faces and declare you a GMing god and stuff. Because THAT doesn't smack of narcissistic delusion.

[ACOS]

I thought you had simply tucked tail and run, Shitmuffin.
But you apparently haven't, so I say again:

Both Leress and GnomeWorks have insisted on seeing the rest of your rules governing social interaction.
I now throw myself on to that pile.

You've promised to produce when asked for more clarification/explanation of your rules. We're not asking for the encyclopedic disertation of all of your rules - we would just like to know what all is involved with adjudicating social interaction and related modifiers.

Now produce.

Put up or shut up.
If you're going to be a chicken-shit, at least have the good grace to own up to it.

[virgil]

To quote a man we all know:"The supreme court has roundly rejected prior restraint"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_restraint

If you disagree with the Supreme Court's reasoning here, then you are saying the rules of baseball should be changed. Is that what you are saying?

There is no form of prior restraint involved in baseball. He thought that the distinction between "writing rules down, and then enforcing them" and "not writing rules down, and enforcing whatever" was prior restraint. The refusal to back down from this claim means that Zak S lied.

it's the _willingness to lie_ that poisons the conversation. Once someone does that any conversation including them or based on information traceable to them is fucked forever.

[Kaelik]

It is funny to read that. Because he is making a stern argument for divisive argument and being insulted, but he is incapable of seeing that he has made the mistake that the same mistake he is throwing a shit fit about. So like, he says "this guy once misunderstood what I said, so therefore nothing he ever says or ever will say matters." And by that same logic, he is of course, a pig fucker who no one should listen to.

It's like Bizzaro Den, where instead of being a sane human being who admits mistakes and forgives other people for making mistakes, or at least comprehends that the Autobahn is a good thing even if Hitler made it, he holds a super hard grudge against everyone who has ever disagreed with him about anything.

[DSMatticus]

There is no form of prior restraint involved in baseball,

In the interest of clarity: that's not why he got called out for misusing prior restraint.

He thought that the distinction between "writing rules down, and then enforcing them" and "not writing rules down, and enforcing whatever" was prior restraint. And he was wrong, because that is not what prior restraint means at all. Then he tried to claim that my position was not what it had actually been, but the thing he wanted it to be in order to make him right to have brought up prior restraint, at which point I just threw quotes at him interspersed with "nope," and he shut up.

Now, the start of that is obviously a mistake, and the end third of that is obviously a retreat, but retreating from a mistake on the internet is not particularly noteworthy. The thing that happened in the middle is dishonesty, and is in fact completely intolerable.

That said: yes, he is a dishonest asshat, but even if you summon him back here he's never going to admit fault or apologize or hold himself to his own standards or any other bullshit you might expect of decent people arguing in good faith. So... yeah. Let it be? A day without Shitmuffin is a good day.

[Prak]

Zak should just start a fencing company. His goal post shifting would be great for creating holes for the fence posts.

[ACOS]

Thanks for the link, virgil.
I did not think that it was possible for anyone to be that detached from reality and self-unaware. By his own definitions, he is quite possibly the biggest pig fucker on the interwebs.
I am dumber for having read that link.

[JigokuBosatsu]

Also, in that link, did shitgoblin call for the establishment of a The Gaming Den?

[Seerow]

Did Zak S get wordfiltered to Justin Beiber or is this just a nickname that caught on while I wasn't looking?

[Leress]

Did Zak S get wordfiltered to Justin Beiber or is this just a nickname that caught on while I wasn't looking?

It's a nickname along with Shitmuffin.

[Username17]

The next time Cyberzombie, or any concern troll goes off about how the reason no one listens to us in the major RPG studios is because we say mean things about people we don't like on the internet, I want y'all to send that concern troll over to shitmuffin's pig fucking article with an attached note about how D&Dnext unironically has a thank-you to that asshole for his insights and contribution. That piece is both ruder and bluer than the crap we constantly get concerns about over here.

Shitmuffin gets a seat at the table, not because he's more polite than us, but because he happens to be rude to people that the current chucklefuck in charge happens to hate. It's that simple. The RPG studios are not meritocracies, and they don't give a rat's ass about politeness or even feigned politeness. It's highschool clique tribalism all the way down.

The fact that in reality Shitmuffin is the pig fucking villain of his own tirade, and yet he's so insanely narcissistic that this irony is wholly lost on him just makes it more delicious. But the fact that shitmuffin has unknowingly cast me as Gallant and himself as Goofus in his own meandering morality play is really just a minor footnote. Shitmuffin's rampant egotism and lack of honesty or self reflection are so well documented at this point that it scarcely rates comment.

The money of that post really is how thoroughly it destroys all the arguments of the concern trolls.

-Username17

[deaddmwalking]

Also, in that link, did shitgoblin call for the establishment of a The Gaming Den?

Yes, I think he did.

And Virgil, thank you for the post. Here's one bit I found a bit hypocritical.

...someone attacks my girls, I go "That's not ok". A pig******goes "Perhaps you misunderstood..."

Zak responds that it is 'not his job' to find out if there is a 'good reason'. I think he uses that phrase to immediately discard the potential that he misunderstood the comment or otherwise was responding to what was said as opposed to meant. While I wouldn't normally have a problem with people expecting that words mean what they appear to say, rather than what the author intended, Zak S. has made it very clear that because his rulings are perfect, if you think there is a problem it is because there is some element that needs clarification. Also, that you are an idiot or worse.

[Covent]

This thread made me join the den...

[Kaelik]

...someone attacks my girls, I go "That's not ok". A pig******goes "Perhaps you misunderstood..."

I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to find any context or give a fuck, but personally to me, the fact that he refers to people as "my girls" is creepy/terrifying/shitty.

Like, I am literally not capable of differentiating that statement from someone who feels like they own other human beings.

If he has only female children and more than one, then of course, my concerns will be relieved, because whatever, but if he is referring to the people I think he is... ick.

[Count Arioch the 28th]

My last girlfriend use to refer to her milk silos as "my girls". Maybe he's talking about his boobs?

EDIT: If that's the case, I understand because if someone attacked my boobs I don't think I'd be interested in hearing their justification.

[Cyberzombie]

The next time Cyberzombie, or any concern troll goes off about how the reason no one listens to us in the major RPG studios is because we say mean things about people we don't like on the internet, I want y'all to send that concern troll over to shitmuffin's pig fucking article with an attached note about how D&Dnext unironically has a thank-you to that asshole for his insights and contribution. That piece is both ruder and bluer than the crap we constantly get concerns about over here.

That was an extremely crude post. Though he did post that after he consulted on the D&DN rules, not before, so I'm not sure if it really shows any evidence of anything unless they continue to have him consult on D&DN or if he made crude insulting posts like that prior to being chosen to consult. So I'm not quite certain yet if the guy always had a pattern of being offensive or if he just recently adopted it.

I also found this, also a recent post of Zak's (not sure if someone else posted this earlier): http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/20 ... 40faf022f3

And that's really offensive stuff (and on his own public blog too).

Now I don't know if that's the kind of stuff he was writing back when he was chosen to consult on D&DN, but if it was, I'm prepared to admit that I was completely wrong in what I said about Zak.

[Kaelik]

Now I don't know if that's the kind of stuff he was writing back when he was chosen to consult on D&DN, but if it was, I'm prepared to admit that I was completely wrong in what I said about Zak.

But you would still be unwilling to admit that people making D&DN choose who to listen to based on who already agreed with them, because... you just wouldn't be Cyberzombie if you didn't concern troll.

But since I vaguely remember someone talking about how he was banned from RPG.net a long time ago, featuring a breakdown of exactly the behavior he has shown here, I have difficulty believing he wasn't always this way.

[momothefiddler]

What is it about pigs anyway? Like, if it was just the insult "pigfucker", I'd take it as, well, just the insult. But with the... impressive level of elaboration in that post (complete with an image), I'm curious what Shitmuffin has against ponies, or dogs, or....