What would you pick?

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:15 am

Forget alcohol. When it comes to using a Djinn to make money, spices are where it's at. Even something as cheap as ground black pepper is roughly 6500$ per day. On the high end, you have saffron for 887,000$ per day. Plus, it's all perfectly legal.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:46 am

Prak wrote:Would ethanol be considered vegetable matter?

Yes, but you're better off with fine silks and shit.

Still doesn't come even remotely close to the Ring of Limbo control thing where you can create absolutely any mundane object that could exist in any plane of existence that will fit in a 25 foot radius and dump it through a portal as many times as you want per day. But if you just want to wear 2000 thread count silk suits with your name woven in as the pin stripes, a genie can do that for you.

-Username17

Gnorman · Post by **Gnorman** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:53 am

Until you flood the market with your Djinni-made saffron, at least.

Invisibility is more trouble than it's worth, and I don't think the Ring of Regeneration allows you to come back from the massive blunt force trauma that will occur when a semi-truck runs a red light at a crosswalk with you in it.

Surprised no one has mentioned the Skin of Proteus yet.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:59 pm

I was actually thinking of fuel. But spices make sense too. Plus you could always start your own dispensary.

Dogbert · Post by **Dogbert** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:16 pm

Ever since item creation became an actual option in d&d (i.e 3E), I stopped caring for overpriced, impractical canon items when I could just craft my own and tailor them to my needs.

So, unless there was an item that could give me wizard levels so I could get to make my own stuff, I'm not sure I'd be particularly interested in anything except for no-charges wondrous items like the winged boots or a cloak of invisibility (except I wouldn't trust myself with one as I'm sure I'd start murdering people who pissed me off left and right).

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:36 pm

Actually, I think there's a dwarf item that allows you to craft items without being a wizard.

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:50 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:I would also suggest the Cubic Gate, with one of the outputs being Limbo. Then get a Ring of Limbo Control and have limitless stuff. Wands and Staves and shit are of course completely useless because I am totally positive that I don't have any spells on my "class list" and can't activate them. For my third item I'd go with a Ring of Regeneration. Boring, but I personally would like to not die of organ failure.

-Username17

Cubic Gate makes a lot of sense; it can provide access to a variety of places.

Ring of Limbo Control I'm not familiar with; and reading up on it, I'm astounded at how powerful it can be when combined with a Limbo-keyed Cubic gate.

Ring of Limbo Control: With this mithral ring, the wearer can establish control over a raw area of the Ever-Changing Chaos of Limbo without making the usual Wisdom check. The wearer merely visualizes what sort of environment he wants, and the ring creates it, in a 25-foot radius sphere centering on the wearer. Further, even if the wearer falls unconscious, the sphere of control retains the form the wearer specified. The wearer can change the form of the controlled area once per round as a free action.
Strong conjuration; CL 12th; Forge Ring, major creation; 120,000 gp

By the definitions of the item description; one could create any physical object they imagine out of mundane materials. Specific objects could include: pure forms of valuable elements/plants/animals; intricately machined/sculpted components for more complicated devices; sculpture/art that would be impossible to make with currently known techniques (but are imaginable by the creator). I'm pretty sure that being able to create solid platinum statues of implausibly fine/thin structural elements that occupies a spherical diameter of 50 feet could be salable products. If not, even non-precious metals/elements have incredibly high commodities markets values could be accessed for stealthy wealth (I recall a National Geographic article where the underwater dig team of a sunken vessel wasn't thinking about looking for gold or silver; but the mercury supplies the ship they were looking for contained, and were planning on hocking the recovered mercury on the commodities markets).

With such a combination of indefinitely large amount resources, and only the ring wearer's imagination as to what will appear; the user could take on all sorts of design, crafting and manufacturing industries. They could create and monopolize industries capitalizing on having access to indefinitely large amounts of rare earth metals to prototype & develop technologies of which we are only on the theoretical or early stages of development today (e.g. super-conductors; quantum computers; flying cars; Alcubierre/warp engine; super efficient solar; next-generation batteries).

Alternately, they could also devalue to nothingness materials that are currently the cause of suffering (petroleum, columbite–tantalite (i.e. smartphone battery material: "coltan"), diamonds) due to their perceived value; or more practically create commodities to sell for financial resources to change the global economy (and make all current notions for "economics" and "commodities" stand on their heads).

I'd probably see if I could get a ring of 3 wishes for the last item; and get: a ring of regeneration (not dying?), a belt of magnificence +6 (the most straightforward way to "be better"); ... and a Tome of Leadership & Influence +5 (or possibly Understanding; while the Tome of Intellect might be more personally beneficial; the Cubic Gate + Ring of Limbo Control combination will require the eventual involvement of other humans, and at that point social ability will outstrip the immediate usefulness of cognition or sense; also, I doubt that I have the Hit Dice to make higher intelligence net a higher return on investment than raw ).

Of course, if the original 3 items could be repeats; one must assume that the list should be 9 objects sourced from 3 rings of three wishes.

Other ideas: Being able to Shrink a Mirror of Mental Prowess into an awesome looking medallion sounds useful.

The Starmantle Cloak sounds like an effective protection from all non-magical injuries that might be incurred when experimenting with exotic materials with Cubic Gate + Ring of Limbo Control shenanigans, as well (except falling, I assume); the Cloak of Resistence, 5 Types (10) would be good if you plan on working with potentially dangerous energy types. Rings of Elemental Command Earth or Water also could be cool.

Alternately, they could also devalue to nothingness materials that are currently the cause of suffering (petroleum, columbite–tantalite (i.e. smartphone battery material: "coltan"), diamonds) due to their perceived value.

Vote: Bears

CapnTthePirateG · Post by **CapnTthePirateG** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:52 pm

For this challenge, could I grab the book of infinite spells and start learning spellcasting?

Really that seems to be all you'd need.

brized · Post by **brized** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:58 am

CapnTthePirateG wrote:For this challenge, could I grab the book of infinite spells and start learning spellcasting?

The parameters were:

RedstoneOrc wrote:What three magic items from 3.5 would you wish to have and why. You can choose any three you want but none of those infinite wish loops, and no using the custom magic item rules.

Magic items != artifacts.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:59 am

Um. Artifacts are totally magic items, and several of us have chosen artifacts.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:23 am

Now, for all the Cubic Gate users, you get a 10% chance per minute of a random outsider (from limbo in this case) coming through, possibly with violent intentions. I dunno if I'd want to risk giant frog.

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:01 pm

The Ring of Limbo Control is what makes access to dangerous aspects of Cubic Gate access to Limbo less of an issue. If a giant frog that shows up (which might not be possible unless you specifically control one in), you can 'control' the surrounding Limbo around them into crushing them inside a sphere of granite up to 50' across.

The real problem w/ the Cubic Gate is that you can't use the non-Limbo gates until after you've imagine/Limbo'd into existence Titanium-alloyed war-mechs; because of that same 10% chance of a random outsider showing up.

Specifically because Giant Frogs are not immune to, fire, cold, acid, electricity, shotguns and high powered rifle. While those are things that elementals, and other outsiders, are often able to ignore wholesale.

TheFlatline · Post by **TheFlatline** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:12 am

Judging__Eagle wrote: The real problem w/ the Cubic Gate is that you can't use the non-Limbo gates until after you've imagine/Limbo'd into existence Titanium-alloyed war-mechs

Mechs are useful but armor would be better

Once you're Iron Man do you really give a shit about... well.. anything?

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:19 am

There's also the question of whether you could get them to work without the advanced engineering degree it would take to design one. Basically, you're supposing that the true limitation on mechs is resources.

That or you wind up with a mech that doesn't have wires and gears and shit inside but this: