Chamomile wrote:FrankTrollman wrote:No rules got changed
This video shows the chair of the Nevada convention passing a motion to change the rules. I guess maybe you're arguing that the rules were
temporary and therefore no rules were
permanently changed, but that's extremely misleading and we both know you're happy to lie for
Jesus Hillary. A motion for a recount was ignored despite clear support from the convention. The convention was closed with a motion still on the floor. It's not just the procedure being anti-democratic to begin with. It's that the procedure was then ignored anyway.
Also: I didn't say that Clinton was directly involved or that Sanders (or his campaign) had never done anything like this. I asked how Clinton
benefits, since whoever's job this actually is has been (you would think) acting with the intention of getting Hillary Clinton elected. But Clinton is already winning decisively, so the only person who could plausibly benefit is Trump, who might get slightly more popular in the general. So...What the Hell is the motivation, here? Even if Sanders is trying to steal some paltry amount of delegates, how is it to Clinton's benefit to steal them back when she doesn't need them anyway?
It is important to remember that corruption does not imply conspiracy. There isn't an annual cabal meeting for used car dealerships in which they discuss how to be bigger assholes. The system is built to incentivize assholeship, so they're all independently a bunch of assholes. If you think the Hillary Clinton campaign had anything to do with flipping two delegates you're a fucking idiot. If you think the Hillary Clinton campaign has perfect control of her supporters at every level of organization, you're a fucking idiot. That's just not how this shit works. But mostly, the shit you're bitching about is ultimately meaningless (and you're wrong). Hillary supporters had the majority and had control of the floor, and they were going to walk away the night's winners and the fact that Bernie supporters
booed very loudly in this one youtube clip you found is not an indication of... anything. Just shut up. We don't let the people who can boo the loudest run the show. There's fucking votes, and there were more Clinton supporters than Sanders supporters, so they won the fucking votes. End of story.
The
only interesting thing that happened at the Nevada state convention is that they chose to disqualify a bunch of participants who were not members of the Democratic party. That seems sensible at first glance - the people who attend these conventions are in a way acting as (temporary) officials of the party, and it makes no fucking sense to have officials within the Democratic primary not actually be Democrats. But it seems bullshit at second glance, because even if they are not Democrats they were chosen by Democratic voters to represent them, so fuck you respect the voters. And it seems corrupt at third glance, because it turns out that this disqualification hit more Sanders supporters than Clinton supporters. And the end result is that Clinton "won back" the two delegates she had stolen from her in April when she won Clark County's popular vote and then lost the county convention because delegate turnout was something like one-third. And the net result of Sanders supporters choosing to send not-Democrats to the Nevada state Democratic caucus is that they lost the two delegates they stole in the Clark County Democratic caucus. Boo. Fucking. Hoo.
And I guaran-fucking-tee you that shit like this has happened to Clinton supporters across the country because that is how caucuses work. It really is. They're shitty and corrupt and 90% backstabbing and 10% democracy. But we don't hear about that from the media, because it's not exciting to talk about how a candidate who's ahead by 300 delegates lost two to corrupt bullshit, but the Berniesphere shrieks like a pack of fucking banshees everytime their candidate loses even if he should have. I have exactly as much respect for the people booing in those clips as I do Republicans whining about voter fraud. They're both groups of undemocratic authoritarian shitstains and they can suck my dick. The lack of self-awareness it takes to walk into a caucus
as a Sanders supporter and throw a fit because you lost two delegates
that you stole earlier in the same state's caucus process is
fucking disgusting.