FrankTrollman wrote:My take home is exactly the opposite. I don't think we can win the white working class because it does not matter what we say or do for them.
There is a good idea. Shit on and abandon everyone who voted for Trump (or didn't vote for you) as white racists.
Because here is the thing
fucking bullshit it was white racists who won it for Trump. Oh they exist. It's a BIG thing, and without them he probably wouldn't have won, without them the entire Republican party would probably be an after thought.
But the Democrats fucking beat the shit out of the white racist voting block and elected a black president twice. You should remember that, it was fairly recent history.
The Democrats can and DO build coalitions of voters, INCLUDING parts of the the fucking white working class you elitist twat, that can and very recently HAVE defeated the white racist voting block.
The problem isn't just that Trump won the election with white racists, he also clearly brought in other voters and Hillary FAILED to bring in other voters.
And how did the democrats pull together a large coalition and defeat the republicans with Obama. OH THATS RIGHT he was the "outsider" candidate who wasn't Hillary or any similar widely hated "insider" representing everything that multiple voting blocks in the broader public hate about their own political system.
Civil society is broken. The norms of peaceful transitions of power and peaceful elections are fucking over.
You are sounding a lot like Trump when he was hedging for a loss by not so dog whistling for a violent revolution.
You know when you aren't sounding like someone desperately looking for anyone to blame other than yourself and the incompetent party establishment you bought into 110%.
Political realism time since Clinton fans were so keen to say that was THEIR domain. They knew Clinton would be hounded by political scandal beat ups. AND THEY CLEARLY HAD NO PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT. They knew that the media is shallow, stupid and often even biased and corrupt. THEY HAD NO PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT. They knew Hillary was unpopular. THEY HAD NO PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT. They knew there was a big white racist voting block they will basically NEVER win again for at least a generation of kissing its ass and they needed to beat it by appealing to a sufficiently large number of other voters. THEY HAD NO PLAN FOR THAT. They have always known the realities of voter suppression, gerrymandering, and other structural obstacles they face, and they STILL have NO PLAN FOR THAT.
These are obstacles. These are not new obstacles. They are old familiar ones that have proven surmountable in the recent past and Hillary, the democratic party establishment and everyone who supported Hillary over alternatives fell flat on their fucking face at the first sign of ANY of those obstacles.
And these guys are the "experienced" politicians and aristocrats YOU trusted to win this for you. Oddly they failed. It's kind of like... maybe neoliberal centrist aristocrats are actually as bad at winning elections as they are at running governments.
A lame reality TV star beat your chosen super skilled career centrist political savior that you internet attacked dogged for like a chump. Not even a big star. Hell. I'm not even sure he was trying. I'm STILL not even sure he wasn't actually trying to fucking
lose for at least part of it.
Trump certainly won. But the bigger story is that
Hillary lost.