Leia living: she's Luke's twin. "Gurls can't Force" was terrible and you know it. That said, she IS massively shat on, in that she blows as the leader of the Resistance. Her HR and outreach work is a war crime.
Hux and Kylo Ren as joke villains - they're basically the alt-right, undignified but dangerous. It's perfect.
Rey is very good. Her glaring flaw for most of the movie (as a person, not a character) is the main flaw of the Star Wars setting: she considers awesomeness a heritable trait. She thought Emo Luke and Emo Kylo Ren were better people and better saviours of the galaxy than existing Resistance fighters and sympathizers, including herself. One could argue she checks the box for writer pet low self-worth, but the dynamics are completely different. No one fawns over her, and when she finally overcomes it, the message isn't "I'm totes the bestest", it's "we're all awesome, fuck the aristocracy". The Force isn't just for lifting rocks, it's also for swiping space cow shit off the floor.
Luke's case was a no-win from the beginning. To have a dignified send-off in the timeline, he should have died long before 7, which is obviously unacceptable for the story.
Mark Hamill allegedly hating the movie:
He doesn't. Mark Hamill had "a different vision" for the character, which probably means he didn't like Luke became a failure. And you know what? That's normal. Actors generally like playing awesome characters (heroes or villains) more than pussies, and people who root for a character don't like when he or she fails.
Hamill also tweets about how he likes the movie and is BFFs with Rian Johnson. Considering he also bashes Trump, Don Jr., Ajit Pai, pedo Roy Moore and the Zodiac Killer via twitter, I'm pretty sure Disney isn't pulling his strings.
Luke sucking: I don't like the visuals, but the narrative doesn't disgust me. Luke is a space samurai who carries his laser katana everywhere. He saw a scary hallucination and did what a space samurai is supposed to do when he or she sees something scary: he quickdrew his katana. He fucked up and went into monastic retirement.
Finn and Rose's mission fail: uh, Cloud City? I don't see the point of movies with no chance of the heroes failing.
I like del Toro's character, too: his message is there are no Neutral Me "lovable rogues" in the fight against Space Nazis.
Holdo not being an established character: you're an MRA, fuck off.
Holdo's plan: Okay, a question: how many people are needed to vet a plan? Should every pilot get a say? Every technician? Rose? The bunny girl? Suppose they hold a democratic vote, can the people who lost the vote fuck off and do their own things?
Most stuff not making sense:
Many things "don't work that way", either within the fictional universe or where it touches real physics. Droids and holograms were in the original trilogy. Why do ships still have windows? Why do they need human pilots?
(The tracker and bombs IN SPAAAAAACE were so purposelessly terrible and offensive they're inexcusable.)
maglag wrote:Since the original star wars movie there is sound in sspppaaacceeee. The setting physics have always been whatever the plot demands.
It's a matter of plausibility feels and aesthetics. A good metaphor for it is the lens flare that people want to see in "realistic" movies.
Most viewers know how planes fly, they know precisely dick about spaceships, so most plane physics work for fictional spaceships. Conservation of momentum is not a thing and can be safely ignored.
But unattended floaty things? They fucking float. Objects dropped from a ship can slow down (like objects dropped from a car slow down), but they end up floating because we know full well space stuff floats in space movies,
including in Star Wars.
Words people said: Snoke's line after "destiny" will be the go-to example of atrocious writing for generations.
Admiral Ackbar is a joke character, the spaaaaaaace equivalent of a Runequest duck.
nockermensch wrote:why the hell are like 3 star destroyers just watching the dreadnought being attacked on the first battle?
If you mean Poe, every shot that misses him hits the ship. The bombers do a suicide run and only succeed by sheer luck anyway.
nockermensch wrote: and the result is a movie you watch to follow the soap opera between the characters. And they seem to be aiming at this very segment, anyway.
I'm watching it for the politics. Not the trade disputes, of course, but the real-life principles upheld or condemned by the narrative.
Frank wrote:But honestly I believe Rotten Tomatoes when they say that the score is simply authentic.
The
exit polls are very favorable, and at this stage that's what Rotten Tomatoes is supposed to reflect, too. It doesn't, so it's cooked.