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I mean, obviously the defense of genocidal war crimes is completely evil and insane, but I think it's important to also important to note that his utilitarian defense of mutilating people to death is also wrong. For thousands of years, humanity has had the argument about whether it is justified to torture people to death if those deaths prevent future crimes. But if "if" in that discussion is doing a heavy lift because torturing people to death doesn't reduce crime!
England's homicide rate in 1300 CE was 20 per 100,000, and in 2018 it was 1.2 per 100,000. When they used to torture people to death for the crime of murder, the murder rate was over sixteen times what it is now that they don't have a death penalty at all. But it's not just the elimination of the death penalty in modern times, the reduction in barbarity of execution has been a gradual process and it has been met with a reduction in homicide rates at every stage. And end to drawing and quartering was met with a reduction of murders. An end to corpse cages before that was met with a reduction in murders as well.
When the Law is less murderous, violent, and depraved, society is as well. You could certainly make a reasoned claim that only a society powered more by reason than wrath is even capable of abandoning judicial murder as a form of vengeance, but regardless of which direction causation runs it's still demonstrably true that there is no argument for the causation of peace through judicial brutality. The argument about whether ripping peoples' tongues out and leaving their bleeding dying carcasses by the road would be justified if it reduced murder rates is the most prurient of academic arguments - it factually doesn't do that so the entire conversation is just an exploration of a hypothetical involving torture pornography.
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England's homicide rate in 1300 CE was 20 per 100,000, and in 2018 it was 1.2 per 100,000. When they used to torture people to death for the crime of murder, the murder rate was over sixteen times what it is now that they don't have a death penalty at all. But it's not just the elimination of the death penalty in modern times, the reduction in barbarity of execution has been a gradual process and it has been met with a reduction in homicide rates at every stage. And end to drawing and quartering was met with a reduction of murders. An end to corpse cages before that was met with a reduction in murders as well.
When the Law is less murderous, violent, and depraved, society is as well. You could certainly make a reasoned claim that only a society powered more by reason than wrath is even capable of abandoning judicial murder as a form of vengeance, but regardless of which direction causation runs it's still demonstrably true that there is no argument for the causation of peace through judicial brutality. The argument about whether ripping peoples' tongues out and leaving their bleeding dying carcasses by the road would be justified if it reduced murder rates is the most prurient of academic arguments - it factually doesn't do that so the entire conversation is just an exploration of a hypothetical involving torture pornography.
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I can see a case for any combination of two of Grass, Poison, Dark, or Ghost except Grass/Poison.
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Kaelik wrote:Because powerful men get away with terrible shit, and even the public domain ones get ignored, and then, when the floodgates open, it turns out there was a goddam flood behind it.
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