Still more Threads that make us Laugh, Cry, or Both

[Leress]

Wow congratulating someone on doing their job. Even though all it looks like is just dumpster diving. Hell I remember months before pathfinder was announced that anytime you mentioned unlimited cantrips it would send people into a fervor and they start telling how broken it was and how this spell or that spell would be broken. Even though the example they gave were either abusing the spell period or just as easily could have been done with casting the spell once or twice. It's all in a name I guess. (Gets next experiment ready)

Guess what "the authority" you are not getting a free copy of the game, and you are not really helping in the "playtest" of this game since all you seem to do is take it in the eye.

And now for something completely different
Technomagicon: Craft Skill (v2) & Ordinary People (v3)

This made me laugh
Sticky Buttons Spore Creator

[Psychic Robot]

There are very few that are able to apply scientific rigor to considering changes in leisure activities.

El oh el.

His pretentious language makes me cringe.

...with very few who seem to look past their own base (and I mean base) need to corrupt everything they take interest in into something perfect for their own games that exemplify the inequitous nature of the universe, that they should enjoy such utter tripe.

Then there's this:

Don't let yourself or your players believe for an instant that dying isn't every bit as fun as playing.

Lolwut?

I just stopped in to voice my absolute, and I mean absolute disdain for this idea.

Well, he is THE AUTHORITY.

[Psychic Robot]

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1055057

Urgh.

[Username17]

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1055057

Urgh.

Yeah, I really like the fact that they just came straight out and said that they have no intention of fixing the problem without selling you more books, but that in the meantime you can just accept the fact that the rules they actually printed are full of failure by just moving the goal posts and playing the game with the expectation that players will fail at everything they do.

And people defend that. Because they are whores.

-Username17

[Psychic Robot]

I just don't get these people. Are they really that dumb?

[Jerry]

I just don't get these people. Are they really that dumb?

No, they just overlook flaws in the game product, because they don't want to admit that their game has problems.

[angelfromanotherpin]

I just don't get these people. Are they really that dumb?

A combination of stupidity, willful ignorance, and self-induced brainwashing; a little like battered spouse syndrome. Only instead of 'they can't mean to hurt me, I've given them the best years of my life,' it's more like 'This can't be total dreck, I spent $100 on it and defended it on a message board.'

[Prak]

I wonder if this guy is Lich Loved's sock puppet.

I mean, just from looking at his recent posts.

I'd just ascribed the post to Jason Buhlman's ID going feral, hijacking control of his off-hand, and deciding to astroturf up some grassroots support for Pathfinder 3A being perfect and ready for release as-is.

And, oh god! the *horrible* mixed metaphors and abuse of the language. The Authority makes the ghost of Orwell cry. :shock:

and the ghost of Aliestar Crowley cum.

And people defend that. Because they are whores.

no frank, they're not whores. Whores get paid, these people are masochistic sluts.

[Psychic Robot]

Barf. Somebody suggesting changing skill DCs based on the players' skills.

That's so dumb that it hurts.

[Absentminded_Wizard]

I wonder if this guy is Lich Loved's sock puppet.

I mean, just from looking at his recent posts.

I'd just ascribed the post to Jason Buhlman's ID going feral, hijacking control of his off-hand, and deciding to astroturf up some grassroots support for Pathfinder 3A being perfect and ready for release as-is.

If that's the case, he's failing miserably. Most of the posters hate his guts and call him a troll.

Of course, the fun thing is that he talks all this crap about scientific rigor, but all his arguments are emotional stuff like "I like SoDs, and if you disagree you're a pansy."

Yeah, I really like the fact that they just came straight out and said that they have no intention of fixing the problem without selling you more books, but that in the meantime you can just accept the fact that the rules they actually printed are full of failure by just moving the goal posts and playing the game with the expectation that players will fail at everything they do.

My personal favorite was the quote where one of the designers said there was a disconnect between their expectations and how the playtesters used skill challenges. An interesting admission given that the playtesting was mostly, if not entirely, in-house.

[RandomCasualty2]

My personal favorite was the quote where one of the designers said there was a disconnect between their expectations and how the playtesters used skill challenges. An interesting admission given that the playtesting was mostly, if not entirely, in-house.

I don't think 4E was playtested for anything except combat.

[Jerry]

I wonder if this guy is Lich Loved's sock puppet.

I mean, just from looking at his recent posts.

It's nice to see that the douchebaggery is still in fine form over there.

And who are you to judge?

You and Frank weren't very nice to people over there either.

Oh wait, I'm taking all this seriously. Sorry about that.

[Cielingcat]

Frank and K were very frank when they were there. That guy is a straight up asshole.

[Jerry]

Frank and K were very frank when they were there. That guy is a straight up asshole.

You can be frank and an asshole.

EX: the time that Frank said that someone's concerns on the Paizo baord were something to the extent of "unimportant and that he was making up problems for D&D, like asking how many Black Dragons appear when a fighter swings a falchion."

Basically, the last part was when someone thought that due to a shortening of alignment (a cleric may be one step on moral/ethical axis from deity, but not both), and that someone could be CN of a LG god.

If Frank wanted to be frank, he'd just say "your claims are false" or something without needing to insult the poster.

But Frank doesn't want to be taken seriously, judging by his writing, so I'm not surprised when others there didn't when he was being mean.

But to get back to the point, yes, the OP of that thread was acting like a troll.

[Prak]

Frank and K were very frank when they were there. That guy is a straight up asshole.

Making a joke about Gygax's death isn't very frank.

Nor is the time that Frank said that someone's concerns were something to the extent of "unimportant and that he was making up problems for D&D, like asking how many Black Dragons appear when a fighter swings a falchion."

Basically, the last part was when someone thought that due to a shortening of alignment (a cleric may be one step on moral/ethical axis from deity, but not both), and that someone could be CN of a LG god.

If Frank wanted to be frank, he'd just say "your claims are false" or something without needing to insult the poster.

But Frank doesn't want to be taken seriously, judging by his writing, so I'm not surprised when others there didn't when he was being mean.

But to get back to the point, yes, the OP of that thread was acting like a troll.

Frank's an ass, that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be taken seriously. This forum is almost entirely comprised of people who probably grew up as ostracized nerds and became asses as a defense. We get that here,and most conflicts only occur when someone's a bigger ass than the other person expects. We get used to that, and learn to deal or emulate, and tend to forget on other forums that we're not here, nor are we talking to denizens.

[Jerry]

Frank's an ass, that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be taken seriously. This forum is almost entirely comprised of people who probably grew up as ostracized nerds and became asses as a defense. We get that here,and most conflicts only occur when someone's a bigger ass than the other person expects. We get used to that, and learn to deal or emulate, and tend to forget on other forums that we're not here, nor are we talking to denizens.

I think that you're misinterpreting Frank.

If he wanted to be taken seriously on Internet message boards, then he wouldn't act like a dick.

Do you take trolls on 4chan seriously? What about Pat Robertson?

You don't.

But just because I don't take Frank seriously doesn't mean I think that he's unskilled in writing D&D rules, far from it.

[Prak]

ok, I think I mis-spoke. Frank's an ass. he doesn't want you to take his threat to hunt down and kill your family seriously(example) but he does want you to take his writting seriously.

[Psychic Robot]

Barf. Somebody suggesting changing skill DCs based on the players' skills.

That's so dumb that it hurts.

I should clarify: he suggested lowering some DCs so that players untrained in something like Knowledge (history) could help with a skill challenge while cranking up the DCs so that players specialized in something like Bluff would have a more difficult time.

[Surgo]

Hey look, it's Jerry doing even more complaining about the board. Who would have thought? Shut the fuck up already.

[Jerry]

Hey look, it's Jerry doing even more complaining about the board. Who would have thought? Shut the fuck up already.

I'm not complaining about this board.

ok, I think I mis-spoke. Frank's an ass. he doesn't want you to take his threat to hunt down and kill your family seriously(example) but he does want you to take his writing seriously.

I take his writing seriously when he takes it seriously. When he jokes about things, I don't.

[PhoneLobster]

I take his writing seriously when he takes it seriously. When he jokes about things, I don't.

You only... take him seriously when he is serious.

Except for those other times when he isn't serious so you... also take him seriously then?

So you always take everything very seriously even when others joke?

I think you should re-examine the wording of your posts.

And this despite the fact that your major criticism of Frank, everyone, these boards and the universe is they always take things far too seriously.

And that your great self identifying trait of your bullshit fake persona is that you never ever take anything seriously or care about anything ever.

Just... wow. Dumb.

[Jerry]

Alright, this is my last question about the gaming den board and their members:

he doesn't want you to take his threat to hunt down and kill your family seriously(example) but he does want you to take his writting seriously.

So why does he get hot and bothered when others bad-mouth his work (like Lich-Loved)? Threatening to kill someone's family, even as a joke, is far worse. Not to mention that Caedrus isn't one of Frank's close friends, and you don't make those kinds of jokes to strangers. How does Frank know that Lich-loved isn't joking with some of his posts?

Or is acting like an angry Internet troll part of Frank's comedy routine?

[Maxus]

Alright, this is my last question about the gaming den board and their members:

he doesn't want you to take his threat to hunt down and kill your family seriously(example) but he does want you to take his writting seriously.

So why does he get hot and bothered when others bad-mouth his work (like Lich-Loved)? Threatening to kill someone's family, even as a joke, is far worse. How does Frank know that Lich-loved isn't joking with some of his posts?

Or is acting like an angry Internet troll part of Frank's comedy routine?

This is said too much, but shades of Captain Bleach...

Okay, it's like this: we all have Internet personas that we adopt. Frank seems to paint on his face when he's responding to a lot of things.

Not to mention that Caedrus isn't one of Frank's close friends, and you don't make those kinds of jokes to strangers.

No, you mean most people feel like the social norm is that you don't do that. Personally, I find it pretty refreshing to see people around here say what they really think--or sometimes exaggerate their reactions--after seeing message boards where people always try to be so damn nice.

That said, the etiquette here allows us to do that. And, well, it also allows us to make jokes about minotaurs with gold-plated cocks and pretty much whatever else we feel like making a joke about.

Elsewhere? They're not as civilized and have these weird ideas about 'rudeness' whereas I take the view of, "As long as you're not an asshole singling someone out".

[Psychic Robot]

Or is acting like an angry Internet troll part of Frank's comedy routine?

I think it might be.

[Count Arioch the 28th]

I'm tired of hearing about Frank.

Don't get me wrong, he's a sharp guy and he's actually pretty nice when you talk with him. I'm just tired of hearing about him.