phlapjackage wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:06 am
Goddam dude. So you don't think there's a genocide happening (just a "conflict"), and even if there were a genocide, you wouldn't approve military force to stop an ongoing genocide. What is there even left to say.
No, I think the genocide
is happening. I think it has been happening since
before October 4th. I think that there are a lot of tools the U.S. has to affect policy in other countries short of military force and we should use them.
Who on this site was arguing that the United States should invade Myanmar to stop the genocide of the Rohingya? Maybe it's because adding more military forces would actually result in more killing, not less?
I called Kaelik out on his bold faced lie (or joke) that Biden would be happy to bomb New York. When it became clear that he is advocating for the dissolution of Israel I also made sure that everyone is aware that's what he's doing.
That's not popular with the American people.
I'm also not advocating that Hawaii should be made a country ruled over by a Queen because that's how it was 130 years ago. If you go back far enough someone else has some claim to the spot you're living and they'd like it back please. Kaelik's suggestion that we all migrate to the Philippines where he thinks we'll all be welcome is a distraction from the reality - the people in Israel aren't going anywhere without a fight. Any suggestion that they should ignores the reality as it exists today. You can make all kinds of pronouncements about how such and such event happened the 'wrong way' and if it had happened the right way we wouldn't be in this situation, but you can't actually change the past.
Netanyahu is meeting with Biden on Thursday. I expect a change in Israeli policy on or before that point. That doesn't excuse their behavior up to this point, or bring anyone back to life. I of course don't expect anyone on this board to see the end of the active genocide as their actual goal, or to be satisfied with any actions that restore dignity and political self-direction to the Palestinians. Nor do I expect any of them to grapple with the very real questions of maintaining security in the face of established ethnic hatred or how to ensure protections for minority groups in unbreakable law. You know, to actually admit that this is complicated.