You know what? Fuck the MST3K Mantra.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:11 am

MartinHarper wrote: I agree that 4e poison sucks. The disease mechanics work better for poison, I reckon, with a final state of "dead". Meanwhile, the disease mechanics suck for diseases, because they're not contagious, which is surely the whole point of a disease.

There should be some rule for contagion, but it can cover a large variety of conditions, not all of which are contagious (cancer, Lupus etc.) or are not contagious to the other PCs - Elfasclerosis might not affect non-elves, and Filth Fever won't affect party members who remain clean). But some things will spread like the plague. An example is the plague.

I think you could have more fun playing 4E as a game of House (trying to identify someone's condition and find the right way to cure them, possibly including breaking into their house and stabbing the guards in the face, all before they succumb to the illness and die) than as regular 4E.

"We've tried everything for Cackle Fever and he's just getting worse. The laughing is terrible, and he's sweating so much that his skin is going rubbery."
"Gregorius, stop stealing my food, I'm not exactly tickled at having to buy my lunch twice every day."
"...tickled."
---
"You, why are you laughing?"
"I can't help it, my insides tickle."
"I thought so! You have Slimy Doom. All we need is a paralytic poison and an Ooze Puppet spell, then we can cure you!"

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:15 am

Six-hour rest. SIX HOURS, KOUMEI.

Elennsar · Post by **Elennsar** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:58 am

So you would prefer "until it kills you or its cured", PR? Or is it that some other time than six hours is preferable?

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:00 am

What are you banging on about, PR? Six hours what?

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:14 am

Six hours of rest = cure-all. That means no episodes of House.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:13 am

Oh right. I was still in wishful thinking mode, with the what-ifs, but looking at it now, it does seem like I had finished saying how it should work and was then talking about using the rules as they are.

Roy · Post by **Roy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:39 pm

House refuses to go into 4.0. Quarantine area. Even he can't cure the Fail.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:32 pm

Roy wrote:House refuses to go into 4.0. Quarantine area. Even he can't cure the Fail.

I might've posted a ROFL block if he hadn't made a 4E class.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:46 pm

Bigode wrote:
Roy wrote:House refuses to go into 4.0. Quarantine area. Even he can't cure the Fail.
I might've posted a ROFL block if he hadn't made a 4E class.

You too? I totally explain Frank to people as: "He's like House, but not crippled, and he lives in the Czech Republic. Also, game design."

Roy · Post by **Roy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:11 pm

Bigode wrote:
Roy wrote:House refuses to go into 4.0. Quarantine area. Even he can't cure the Fail.
I might've posted a ROFL block if he hadn't made a 4E class.

I don't work on 4.0, sorry. Also, I'm not crippled either.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:11 pm

Nobody should want to be House. He's a boring, one-dimensional piece of crap who the writers pretend is deep. I'm pretty sure there's more to Frank's character than being a dick and being right.

Roy · Post by **Roy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:30 pm

Psychic Robot wrote:Nobody should want to be House. He's a boring, one-dimensional piece of crap who the writers pretend is deep. I'm pretty sure there's more to Frank's character than being a dick and being right.

House is a keyword for competence, and fuck your time wasting bullshit. Anyone with high knowledge, and a penchant for smiting imbeciles qualifies.

violence in the media · Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:44 pm

Well, how miserable can you be saving lives, sleeping around and doing drugs?

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:47 pm

Roy: in case it's not clear, I indeed meant Frank == House, not you.

And hell, why should people strive for anything other than being dicks (or bitches, whatever) and being right?

P.S.: yeah, the drugs are the part we're intentionally forgetting.

Roy · Post by **Roy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:52 pm

Bigode wrote:Roy: in case it's not clear, I indeed meant Frank == House, not you.

And hell, why should people strive for anything other than being dicks (or bitches, whatever) and being right?

P.S.: yeah, the drugs are the part we're intentionally forgetting.

I know who you meant. But since I was using it as a keyword for competence and not tolerating bullshit the term applies to... most of the fucking board, really.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:02 pm

Ah. Yeah, I think most of the board isn't crippled either (neither Frank, of course), but some did work on 4E.

the_taken · Post by **the_taken** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:22 pm

Dude, the new superheroes game is about using 4e stuff in a useful way.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:25 pm

I had that in mind the whole time, and refused to mention for some reason ...

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:28 pm

Smite Imbecile
Your quick wit grants you advantages in combat. By using logic, reason, and math, you can annihilate your opponents.

Smite Imbecile
“Closing your eyes for a moment, you focus your mind until only your blade remains.”
At-Will ✦ Martial, Weapon, House
Standard Action Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Intelligence vs. AC
Hit: 1[W] + Intelligence modifier damage, and the target is stunned for one round.

Increase damage to 2[W] + Intelligence modifier at 21st level.
Miss: Epic fail.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:38 am

Frank has been compared to House a few times now, and it was pointed out (by people who know him in person) that he's nothing like that, and is "a really nice guy" in real life. He has refused to comment on the comparison.

I take issue with House being called "boring and one-dimensional", but to be fair, I'm a huge fan of Hugh Laurie (and his colleague Stephen Fry).

Bigode: I don't know about you, but I'M not forgetting the drugs. Course, that may just be that I need to get another script of Capadex and my back is letting me know it.

Oh, and I've made the first level of a Mind Flayer racial class for 4E - a one-on-one game I'm playing. I think most of us have toyed with it to some extent.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:54 am

Koumei wrote:Bigode: I don't know about you, but I'M not forgetting the drugs. Course, that may just be that I need to get another script of Capadex and my back is letting me know it.

I thought House's case included cocaine, which I really hope you're not on (heh, IIRC you left that pretty clear on Frank's journal, of course). Painkillers should be way more acceptable for someone with actual pains to kill (despite the fact that I often feel forced to think you might be exaggerating).

Koumei wrote:Oh, and I've made the first level of a Mind Flayer racial class for 4E - a one-on-one game I'm playing. I think most of us have toyed with it to some extent.

I've read its ability lists, and might port whatever's of some actual interest into 3.5. Playing it? I'd rather do like a Persona 3 character (with no hope of summoning spirits) before that.

Gelare · Post by **Gelare** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:57 am

Bigode wrote:I'd rather do like a Persona 3 character (with no hope of summoning spirits) before that.

A Persona 3 character? Where do I get me some of that? Shooting oneself in the head is a sure route to real ultimate power.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:34 am

Gelare wrote:A Persona 3 character? Where do I get me some of that? Shooting oneself in the head is a sure route to real ultimate power.

Short of getting a delusion, believing it works, and quickly getting in an state where you don't fvcking care, I unfortunately have no suggestions. Do notice that I said I'd have no hope of RUP - just of avoiding playing 4E.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:26 am

Bigode wrote:I thought House's case included cocaine, which I really hope you're not on (heh, IIRC you left that pretty clear on Frank's journal, of course). Painkillers should be way more acceptable for someone with actual pains to kill (despite the fact that I often feel forced to think you might be exaggerating). :(

I wouldn't touch coke with a 10-foot pole. Well, Coca Cola I'll drink, but you know what I mean. And House doesn't take cocaine, but Thirteen started to do so after it was known that she had Huntington's. House merely takes a whole lot of Vicodin (hydrocodone, a moderately strong opioid painkiller) and once took LSD to stop a self-induced migraine. I think he may have taken a normal decongestant, chopped it into powder and snorted it, once.

And yeah, I just take lots of codeine when necessary (though usually it's maybe 200mg over 2-3 days, then more than a week without, depending on how severe the pain is). Recently I was prescribed Capadex, which is a lot better - better painkiller results with less opioid effects.

As for exaggeration? I exaggerate the drug-taking, but not the pain. Luckily, I'm not in pain all the time, it just comes and goes as it feels like it and there doesn't seem to be much that can be done to affect this. At least a doctor actually took me seriously enough (it's probably having "gets antidepressants prescribed" that lets them think there's nothing wrong) to investigate what it could be, though. CT scan and everything.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:14 pm

Koumei wrote:I wouldn't touch coke with a 10-foot pole. Well, Coca Cola I'll drink, but you know what I mean.

Yay, says another sugar addict. But how's a migraine more self-induced than any other?