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DragonChild wrote:So no, I have no problem with the grinding in the game, that's the game. But the matchmaking system is kinda godawful, in that me, at summoner level 18, have been up against people who are summoner level 30 - usually one every game. These people seriously start with huge tat boost, just because they've played longer, and spent real money.

THAT part is utterly stupid, and removes any "competitiveness" in the game.
That sort of thing happens for the following reasons:

1: The level 30 player, even with his material advantage over lower-leveled players, has a bad rating because he sucks so much that he can't even beat them regularly.
2: There aren't enough low-level players in the queue, so the matchmaker is willing to give you a more difficult match rather than have you wait.

Normal games aren't really competitive. They're Blind Pick, which allows for some absurdly degenerate strategies, and most of the people who play them are really, really bad. I went deathless as Master Yi stacking movement speed items in a Normal game last night. Normal games are for screwing around, for new players, or for trying shit out. Ranked matches are more competitive than Normal games, but they're still not ideal.

Also, not all level 30s have spent money. You can get there without spending money, all it takes is time. That's how LoL's financial model works, you can spend either time or money to get access to content (and in the case of runes, only time. In the case of most skins, only money). It's a lot more fair than a lot of other games.

But, if you're not having fun playing LoL, you should probably quit. Don't play it just because your friends are.
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Lago PARANOIA wrote:That's the one I mean.

I mean, it's not a totally perfect game. There are some unfair elements to the game (like those fucking spinning platforms in level 4) and some of the gimmicks are really distracting like the rotating room and the chandelier jump. Also the bosses are really easy compared to the rest of the series except for a couple of outliers. And the game is about one or two levels too long for a straight playthrough but two or three levels too short to really appreciate the password system unless you're a beginner or something.
I may have to try it out. I played it a bit at a friends house when he rented it, but I never got into it.

Lago PARANOIA wrote:But those are honestly minor complaints. The game rules. I mean, I also love the hell out of Symphony of the Night, maybe even more than SCIV, but the latter is easier to pick up and play, you know?
That one I love. It would be nice if there were a diffuculty setting, though. It's fun to play through once or twice, but once you pick up on a few tricks, the game becomes way too easy. I'd love it if I could do something like double or tripple the base damage monsters would deal.

Otherwise, the only way I can replay the game is to set arbitrary rules for myself like "no crissagrim", or "no grinding for awesome stuff like the Ring of Varda", or to set time limits. The time limit was actually the most fun I had playing the game since I beat it. It forced me to run from point to point quickly and to be efficient, and left me no time to grind for any better-than-you-should-have-right-now gear.
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That sort of thing happens for the following reasons:
Oh, I realize, but it was still frustrating as hell. Especially because IMO, some heroes just aren't playable without the correct full rune pages - good luck as Galio without some armor runes, or a lot of jungle characters (Udyr, Amumu) without the right runes and masteries. At level 18-19, it was just really frustrating due to the huge boost level 20 gives. I'm over that hump now, at least, and am now losing to people who actually outplay me, rather than just have BIGGER NUMBERS!
Also, not all level 30s have spent money. You can get there without spending money, all it takes is time. That's how LoL's financial model works, you can spend either time or money to get access to content (and in the case of runes, only time. In the case of most skins, only money). It's a lot more fair than a lot of other games.
I know, but "Continually lose normal matches, but unable to play ranked matches (and get stomped even if you could try), and continue this for a while, made shorter if you spend money" was what I was complaining about. That's really just a design decision meant to be annoying, and I think if you want to play the game on any competitive level, it's really expensive, or a MASSIVE MASSIVE timesink.
But, if you're not having fun playing LoL, you should probably quit. Don't play it just because your friends are.
It's a decent game. I am having fun now, now that I'm overly the poorly designed level 20 hump.
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Tried out the demo for Torchlight. It... almost melted my computer. A game designed to be able to play on Netbooks almost fried my computer.

I think that's a sign I need a new one, but it can wait until March. (March is a good time to buy computers, plus I'm making a shitload of money right now and by then I can afford to build a frigg'n monolith of a computer).
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Computers melting down is never fun. Awhile ago I was replaying a cool Neverwinter Nights module and the PC starting pouring out foul-smelling smoke. Something had caught fire inside the PC tower, and I had to resort to using my laptop for most computer stuff in the next few months.

Why's March in particular a good time for getting computers? Is there usually a price drop for old stuff in response to a new generation of hardware coming out then or something?

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Has anyone else tried out Deadly Premonition ( http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/de ... review.php ) ? It looks hilarious, and I feel tempted to pick up a copy and play through the first few hours with some friends, maybe to keep people occupied while waiting to take their turns in a Dom 3 game. If Deadly Premonition is at least half as entertaining as Cortex Command or Smash Bros, I'll consider it a worthwhile investment.
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A friend and I swapped games and systems for a while. Since I got a PS2 last year, I've been able to go to video game stores and pick and choose the best off the PS2 list.

Including some stuff he'd never been able to play.

I got an Xbox 360, and some games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, both the Fables (not -that- into those).

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Avoraciopoctules wrote:Computers melting down is never fun. Awhile ago I was replaying a cool Neverwinter Nights module and the PC starting pouring out foul-smelling smoke. Something had caught fire inside the PC tower, and I had to resort to using my laptop for most computer stuff in the next few months.

Why's March in particular a good time for getting computers? Is there usually a price drop for old stuff in response to a new generation of hardware coming out then or something?
Well, my computer didn't melt, that was a bit of hyperbole. It's just lagging very bad, even on netbook mode. Turning down the resolution helped a lot, but it's still only slightly playable.

It might be graphical lag, because Windows 7 doesn't recognize my video card. I might be able to just get a decent new one and replace the old nvidia I've had for 5-6 years. If I can get one on the cheap, I might get a decent one early so I don't have to rely on my on-board video, but I have no clue how to even pick something out.

EDIT: And of course I will double-check what my friend said, but he said that March is when a lot of computer stores start dropping the price on good stuff to move it out. I am inclined to believe him because he's managed several computer stores, but I still will double check as that was a number of years ago.
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Count Arioch the 28th wrote:And of course I will double-check what my friend said, but he said that March is when a lot of computer stores start dropping the price on good stuff to move it out. I am inclined to believe him because he's managed several computer stores, but I still will double check as that was a number of years ago.
Intriguing. Perhaps I'll try looking at laptop prices around then. My Mac is refusing to run several-year-old indie freeware games, so I'm definitely thinking it might be nice to use something a tad more modern.
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Avoraciopoctules wrote:
Has anyone else tried out Deadly Premonition ( http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/de ... review.php ) ? It looks hilarious, and I feel tempted to pick up a copy and play through the first few hours with some friends, maybe to keep people occupied while waiting to take their turns in a Dom 3 game. If Deadly Premonition is at least half as entertaining as Cortex Command or Smash Bros, I'll consider it a worthwhile investment.
I have it. Think of it as Twin Peaks: The Game. It is very rough around the edges but it still fun to play. The main problems happen when you are in the free roaming parts of the game since the first time it happens you don't really have anywhere to go and you pretty much are just waiting.

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CA wrote:Well, my computer didn't melt, that was a bit of hyperbole. It's just lagging very bad
The last time this happened to me, it was my hard drive. Everything on my computer just ground down to a slow trickle of function. Transferring all my info from that old hard drive to my new one took days.
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Okay, I grabbed a used copy of Deadly Premonition while on an unrelated trip to pick up lumber for repairing some furniture. It may be cause for a small party this weekend. I know a few friends who have been looking for an opportunity to play this for a while, and games like this are often more fun with plenty of observing commentators.
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Maj wrote:
CA wrote:Well, my computer didn't melt, that was a bit of hyperbole. It's just lagging very bad
The last time this happened to me, it was my hard drive. Everything on my computer just ground down to a slow trickle of function. Transferring all my info from that old hard drive to my new one took days.
That is something I checked, data transfers to and from my hard drive fairly briskly.

A friend advised me to simply install the Windows Vista version of the drivers since the architecture was so close. It isn't perfect, but I managed to play the most graphically intense game I own (Spore) with considerably less graphical lag than before, although it still happens when I'm using the Staff of Life to terraform planets.
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So, I beat Bioshock, noodled around on Mass Effect for a while, then started a new file on Bioshock to see what it's like when you go evil in the game.

Somehow, I feel sorry for Steinman this time. The first play-through, he almost got me a couple of times, but for me having a quick draw for the first aid kits. This second time...

I shot at him for a bit, then he had to reload. I grabbed a chemical canister with Telekinesis and threw it at him.

...right before he opened fire again.

The can blew up on top of him, knocked him flat, and set him on fire. I shot him up further while he was down, and then he ran downstairs (with me chasing him) and jumped in the water to put out of the fire.

Such a shame I had the Electro Bolt turned on.

I'm somewhat amused that on the file when I decided to harvest every Little Sister, I also essentially come along and murder the game's first boss.

Fucker shouldn't have called me ugly.
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So aside from Count, how many of you are playing Torchlight?
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I played it. It seems unremarkable.

But if you REALLY liked Diablo 2 and you are happy with a game that is basically exactly the same with slightly less stuff, significantly less plot, significantly less places to be and things to do less classes and builds to use and some OK modern graphics then there you go.

Oh and you get a dog who sells all your junk items. That's the game's most notable nod to the fact that ten years have passed since Diablo 2.

Also back when I played it it had NO multiplayer. But I'm not sure if they did anything about that or not.

This guy reviewed it fairly accurately.
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I like Torchlight, and I'll pretty much tell you everything Phonelobster said is completely and utterly accurate (Also, still no multiplayer).

I enjoy it, but I'm not going to waste anyone's time telling them it's something it's not.
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I think the game has more in common with D1 than D2. Case in point: How you learn spells. Titan Quest also seems to be an inspiration, based on how staves work.

Now, Torchlight is not amazingly awesome. I'm not arguing that it is.

But let's be honest here.

1: No one plays D2 for the plot, they play it to farm rare items. Same as all the other Diablo likes.

2: Multiplayer in a Diablo like game consists of griefing, ninja looting, and general bullshit. The lack thereof is not a negative. If anything, the opposite is true.

3: While it does little to be innovative, there's more good things to say about it than 'pet handles your vendor trash for you so you don't have to'.

Yeah, having it sell your junk for you is nice. It also has a half decent AI, so the pet is actually useful in game play. And here's a novel concept: You can actually buy things you care about with gold. Which is another reason it's more D1 like. The drop rates are actually somewhat reasonable as well, another improvement over D2.

Now granted, this is about as far as it goes. But that's still enough to make it worth playing.
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So, I finally got my hands on Mass Effect.

Despite a slow start, I'm having fun. The characters aren't getting in my way of the game (despite me not having too much of a connection to Shepherd).

The Mako took some getting used to, but now I don't get ganked by ambushes and I feel a little triumphant when my drivin' skills are enough to get me over a mountain.

It's not an all-time great game, but I like some of the details. Some of the planet scans are downright creepy, and I felt like a terrible person when I wrecked an AI and it broadcast "HELP" in binary as it was dying. On max volume, on all frequencies. Poor thing was screaming for help the only way it knew how. And it's a damn computer in a video game, but I still felt sorry for it.

So, I'll give it a B. It's keeping my interest. And I like using the Throw power on enemies and then shooting them before they hit the ground.

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I'm told that if you use lift and then throw outdoors it's an instant kill.

As Shamus young put it, Vanguards are pretty much jedi knights with guns.
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name_here wrote:I'm told that if you use lift and then throw outdoors it's an instant kill.

As Shamus young put it, Vanguards are pretty much jedi knights with guns.
Funny you should say that. That's what I went with, and the shotguns are nice.

I'll try the outdoor Lift + Throw next time I get a chance.
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Question. Dynasty Warriors is pretty much a terrible series of terrible games. And yet I find myself loving them nonetheless. Am I the only one thus afflicted?
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Dynasty Warriors is awesome. I have 3 and 4.
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Psychic Robot wrote:Question. Dynasty Warriors is pretty much a terrible series of terrible games. And yet I find myself loving them nonetheless. Am I the only one thus afflicted?
I have 4 for the XBox...if you like just running around and kicking ass for no reason, it can be a lot of fun.
Or if you're a completionist...my wife played a lot of it solo, just to unlock characters and collect all the gear and mounts and stuff...that kind of thing bores me.
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Maxus,

just so's you know, Mass Effect 2 improves on the original in essentially every way.

As for ME 1, Lift/Throw shenanigans are indeed pretty awesome. Useful surprisingly often indoors too, to chuck people down wells or even just bash them against walls so hard they straight-up die.
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Orion wrote:Maxus,

just so's you know, Mass Effect 2 improves on the original in essentially every way.

As for ME 1, Lift/Throw shenanigans are indeed pretty awesome. Useful surprisingly often indoors too, to chuck people down wells or even just bash them against walls so hard they straight-up die.
So it's basically the same as Jedi Knight, Jedi Academy, Advent Rising, Force Unleashed, where the operative strategy is just pick people up and throw them off the nearest cliff, through nearest window, into nearest wall/person?
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