DSM, stop digging. Just shut the fuck up and admit you kicked a hornet's nest out of ignorance. You don't know what you're tlaking about here, you're just googling numbers and cherry picking ones that sound like they support your position, even though they really really don't. Here's the thing: I am a fucking doctor and I just spent 3 months on a respiratory ward and I have actually treated tuberculosis in several countries in patients who were natives and patients who were immigrants from marginalized ethnic groups. I had to get a Tetum translator so that I could explain treatment protocols to East Timorese migrant workers.
And here's the thing: there are in fact protocols for when you simply deny treatment to tuberculosis sufferers and let them live or die according to the whims of their immune system. And it's not specifically because tuberculosis treatment is expensive, although it is. It's because Tuberculosis treatment takes half a year and the bug already has so many resistances that we
already have to use quadruple therapy. Tuberculosis acquiring complete broad spectrum immunity is totally within the realm of possibility, and if that happens that would be bad. Like, maybe killing five percent of the population of the planet type bad. So patients who for whatever reason are unlikely to complete treatment regimens for TB,
do not get treatment for TB. On account of the fact that we would rather not have an unstoppable plague that kills more people than World War 2.
The fact that people died of TB, or even died of TB at a higher rate somewhere than some other country or whatever, doesn't actually prove or even suggest that the big bad austerity fairy has fucked you. Even Nordic communist paradises have people die of TB. And beyond that, they have people die of TB after being denied treatment for TB. There are probably Swedes
right now who have access to communist Nordic healthcare who have TB and aren't going to get ethambutol pills or streptamycin injections or fucking anything. And they are going to die. Probably because they started treatment and just decided to stop after having it all explained to them and now responsible healthcare professionals do not feel that trying to treat them again is worth the risk.
But the point of all this is that you've been going off about shit you don't understand for
several pages now. Just. Shut. Up. You're wrong. I mean, look at this shit:
DSM wrote:What it actually says is that there are just shy of a million people in Spain (who will be disproportionately poor) who will not be able to receive any non-emergency treatment.
You remember that you brought up Spain because it was supposed to be a bigger number than the over
fifteen fucking million Europeans living outside their home countries who will be denied non-emergency treatment when they lose their EU rights for healthcare, right? Right? And how some number
less than a million is very much smaller than
more than fifteen million and that you are still very much failing to make a coherent case.
Fifteen million is a tremendous low ball, by the way. It doesn't include, for example, me. I'm an American, which means that I'm not included in the numbers of EU citizens living abroad within the EU. Nevertheless, the health insurance I get as a result of being married to a European is ultimately regulated and insured by the EU. No EU, and
I don't have insurance either. I have no idea how many people are in situations similar to mine, where they are not EU citizens but nonetheless have health insurance because of EU regulations, but it's almost certainly less than thirty million.
You've flailed around quoting various statistics that don't mean what you think they do, but the bottom line is still that so far Austerity in Europe has been estimated to have actually killed about forty thousand people. That's a lot! That's a humanitarian crisis! We should definitely do something! But your plan of "ending health insurance for over fifteen
million people" is not a plan that is in any way acceptable. For comparison, in 2009, the United States had fifty million uninsured people. And also in 2009, the United States had an extra 45,000 preventable deaths attributable to a lack of health insurance. If we just do crude ratios, we can estimate that the act of cutting the health insurance guarantees for EU citizens living abroad will
by itself be expected to kill about 13,500 people a year. Which will be a bigger pile of corpses than the last six years of austerity in just three years.
And that's not the only thing that would cause needless deaths in Europe should the EU collapse. There is of course the personal note that of those 15+ million people losing their health insurance, I am not counted despite the fact that I also would lose my health insurance and so would millions of others. But there isn't a single country in Europe that produces all its own food and medicines, and it is not at all obvious how any of that shit would be delivered should the EU collapse. Further, the EU provides regulation for food purity and environmental standards and regional development funds and all kinds crap like that which also would result in the needless deaths of thousands were they to cease abruptly.
For example, there's the small and dramatic case of Eurotransplant. It covers a region within the EU that runs from Slovenia to the Netherlands, and it provides shorter waiting lists and better transplant outcomes for the 15,000 people on waiting lists in countries whose total population is 135 million. It pools transplant lists and donor organs from a large area so that better matches can be given more quickly. And Czechia is not a part of it, because the countries that are in Eurotransplant use some form of "opt in" organ donation, while Czechia uses an "opt out" organ donation system and thus has many more available kidneys per million inhabitants than the Eurotransplant area does. But for the areas that are in the Eurotransplant coverage, it's a clear improvement over what they would have without. And without the European Union, it would clearly be impossible to do that because cross border live organ shipments would not be a thing.
You're simply wrong. Your proposals are still about cutting programs that would pointlessly end the lives of tens of thousands of people because... you are mad about cuts in programs that pointlessly ended the lives of tens of thousands of people. That's
ridiculous. Fuck. You. Get a plan that improves the situation or shut the fuck up.
-Username17