K wrote:I've never seen a monster PC played in such a way that was balanced; monsters are based on glass jaws and laser beams and are not balanced. Monster players want all the monster's abilities as per the MM glass jaws and all.
Maybe you haven't seen them played in a balanced way is because the only utterly useless rules that exist for monster characters are totally fvcked over.
And you know why? Because the designers felt they had to satisfy people like you and deliberately make an unusable mess of the monster character rules, aka "Savage Species".
K wrote:The monsters need to balanced.
When the monsters become balanced, they can be PCs. Until then, you are fvcking up the game for other people.
But in this very thread, in part even in this last post, you advocate that they cannot be balanced and that "monster players" do not even want them to be. That they should therefore not be respected and therefore no attempt should ever be made to satisfy them.
Which totally ignores that what you describe in that quote is EXACTLY what people like Lago, myself and others would prefer the vast space dedicated to trash like the illumidumies and the sabotage of species instead be invested in.
But as long as you or people like you sit there running about like headless chickens and quivering in panic pretending that it means 1st level beholders with the full array of deadly eye ray abilities then all monster characters, including cat people are never, ever going to be allowed to happen.
Its basically a poorly fabricated and totally misleading argument that has been trundled out far too often in response to anyone anywhere ever attempting to introduce any form of character race that was not in fact just yet another a new subspecies of elf.
Its a circular and indefensible position that amounts to "working monster character rules should not be allowed because we don't have any".
And then is artificially extended to "And that means you aren't even allowed to write up a new +0 LA Cat person or fairy race. Because the monster rules we have don't work. And did I baselessly accuse all monster players as being greedy munchkins? Because that also proves my point."
Thats the place you are standing in this argument. And its an ugly small minded place that makes people everywhere feel very sad about role playing games.
K wrote:I mean look at the fvcking pixie. Its a CR 5 monster with spells and abilities equal to about a 12th level spellcaster with death magic, utility spells, and transport and stealth magic and its got 3 Hp. Thats not even fair.
Enough with that crap, thats not what people who want to play a pixie give a flying damn about. They don't want the monsterous manual pixie, because it doesn't work, they want a NEW PC pixie race (or cat girl race or whatever) to be written up for them in some of the ample space wasted on all new ass races.
And this thread was started with a complaint pretty much along those lines, that instead of writing up PLAYABLE cat girls space is being wasted on an unpopular bunch of rune heads.
K wrote:Give it 5 HD and a decent Con. Let it fly(as per a permanent item that a 5th level character might have and use the graft rules). Give it spells like a 5th level Sorcerer. Keep the stats within the elite array.
Again your idea on how to functionally introduce a playable pixie (or proto-pixie template for a playable character) just plain sucks.
That is NOT a fully playable character because it is not playable from first level. And it should be. So for that reason your idea (so very similar to the current system) sucks.
It is not a fully playable character because unlike other character races it is not very customizable, you can't choose to expend your first five levels on rogue, fighter, cleric or indeed anything other than suctastic sorcerer abilities. And that sucks.
Not only that because you can't expend those levels on other classes that means an all pixie party is going to be pretty annoying. And that sucks big time.
And those are sorcerer abilities you expended 5 levels on may even not stack with actual sorcerer levels, and definitely don't with any other spell casting progression other than nutty annoying prestige classes, basically screwing you in every way for all levels AFTER 5 as well. And that sucks.
Your flight ability by the time the character can enter play, 5th level, is already unremarkable as normal characters have ready access to it as well. Not only that you chose to make it a grafted magic item, which presumably ties up a pile of your characters wealth at that level meaning that those normal characters that can fly (wizards etc...) are getting it basically for free while YOU the character race with fricking wings are paying through the nose. And that sucks.
You describe a character that may work, poorly for only one of twenty levels NOT the kind of character people need in order to actually play as a pixie.
Or as a cat girl.
