Can you please keep your trolls off the Wizards forums?

[Akula]

PR has linked this before.

Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

The best or worst or whatever I could find is a thread he made about the yogi hat ranger back in April I think?

In fact, the wording from that thread is ripped right from Lago PARANOIA's yogi hat ranger thread HERE.

[Titanium Dragon]

Now the most offensive thing about Smitezilla was his incredibly stupid name. He seemed polite, non confrontational and I think managed to use the word fail ONCE and in arguably the least annoying use I've seen it put to in a while. Meanwhile he was confronted with opponents that ranged from utter puerile drivel and stupidity to outright blatant offensive attacks.

Titanium dragon, clean your own fucking house before you come complaining here. Once you have driven a wooden stake through the cold shriveled prunes that Valingrad Ashland and Seeker95 call their hearts (or the shriveled prunes they call their brains, whatever) THEN come hunting for more trolls here.

I'm pretty sure they're living constructs, so do not technically have hearts.

As I said in my link to his post history (had you actually, you know, read my post you'd have seen that) that the worst stuff has been deleted by the ORCs (IIRC one incident resulted in the ORC deleting about ten posts, both by him and people responding to him). They've been trying to get rid of some of the random edition warring which pops up; they don't care if people discuss the editions, but invariably someone makes it into a flamefest, and when that happens oftentimes the end of the thread where it devolves is deleted and the thread locked.

He was at times quite polite and showed patience. At other times, he was an utter asshat, and those posts tend to get reported and deleted. So you're seeing a selection of his posts. He didn't really toe the line nearly as often as someone like me does (not that my posts don't get deleted/edited by ORCs from time to time).

Well it's still an insult even if we don't care. So dickhole can call me an elitist and it is an insult, even if all I think is, "No shit I'm better than you."

Shit like:

While he invited us to come over here, I think most of us know better.

And

it just makes the lot of you look like a bunch of morons + PR shit

Are pretty obviously trying to be insulting, even though I didn't give a fuck about TD whining.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't respond.

While arguably insulting, they're not inaccurate statements. If we never see anyone who isn't an idiot from some group, we often assume that everyone in that group is an idiot. And you haven't been inundated by people like Seeker and Vaalingrade from the WotC forums, so clearly, they DO know better.

This doesn't mean you should necessarily care (this is, after all, the internet, and really, who cares if everyone on the WotC forums thinks you're some forum full of trolls?) but you know.

[Caedrus]

This doesn't mean you should necessarily care (this is, after all, the internet, and really, who cares if everyone on the WotC forums thinks you're some forum full of trolls?) but you know.

Right now, you're the only one trolling here. You just came on here to bait and flame an entire community that you have no experience with whatsoever on the flimsy and equally questionable excuse of wanting to "smite" some guy named Smitezilla. It really is a truly ostentatious show of hypocrisy.

If we never see anyone who isn't an idiot from some group, we often assume that everyone in that group is an idiot.

Actually, many of the people here were and are quite well respected by many WotC boards posters, particularly before it got butchered by the reorg and all the smart people left. You have no lack of examples of good posters who also post on TGD. What you exhibit here is selective reasoning and a predisposal to making hasty generalizations.

And you haven't been inundated by people like Seeker and Vaalingrade from the WotC forums, so clearly, they DO know better.

Actually, we most certainly have. Or are you unaware of where Roy and others came from?

It would be rather nice if you would keep your trolls, including yourself, to the WotC boards. But we're certainly not going to force you to go or anything, because the people here actually believe in free speech.

[Leress]

I wouldn't say trolling as so much as pointless. Because a) we don't know who smitezilla is [until recently]. b)we don't control anybody here and they will do what they want regardless of what we say. c) Did you report said pm to the WOTC board ORCs? Since it happen on those boards you should handle it there.

[PhoneLobster]

[quote="Titanium Dragon]He was at times quite polite and showed patience. [/quote]
Then it's not PR, though then again he does sometimes basically cut and paste other guy's stuff. Parroting without understanding was one of his things.

So you're seeing a selection of his posts. He didn't really toe the line nearly as often as someone like me does (not that my posts don't get deleted/edited by ORCs from time to time).

In the end we can only judge what we see. Not secret private or deleted posts.

What I see is that WOTC is still full of complete moronic trolls given free reign as long as they support 4E and attack anything that even LOOKS like it disagrees.

You still need to clean your own fucking house. All the more so since really the stuff you are complaining about is gone while the 4E attack dogs with learning disorders team is still defying justice.

So really don't come complaining to me that some guy was mean stupid and already punished when your guys are mean stupid and unpunished, for years on end.

[Prak]

While arguably insulting, they're not inaccurate statements. If we never see anyone who isn't an idiot from some group, we often assume that everyone in that group is an idiot. And you haven't been inundated by people like Seeker and Vaalingrade from the WotC forums, so clearly, they DO know better.

This doesn't mean you should necessarily care (this is, after all, the internet, and really, who cares if everyone on the WotC forums thinks you're some forum full of trolls?) but you know.

The reason you don't see people from here that aren't asshats is because you don't come here. It's like saying all americans are asshole tourists because you've only seen asshole tourists in your country and have never gone to America because of it, where you would meet people that aren't asshole tourists.

Also, having originally been a WotC forum goer and having transferred here myself, I have to say, apparently you guys DON'T know better. For all the assholery and dickery that lives here, it's actually a better forum, in all the time I've been here, vrs all the time I spent at Wizards, I've found this a much better, nicer, more valuable, and more intelligent place. When I needed real feedback on something, I'd post here, not Wizards, because the people at wizards wouldn't know critique or balance if it came up and bit them on the fucking ass and introduced itself.

[Kaelik]

If you didn't care, you wouldn't respond.

While arguably insulting, they're not inaccurate statements. If we never see anyone who isn't an idiot from some group, we often assume that everyone in that group is an idiot. And you haven't been inundated by people like Seeker and Vaalingrade from the WotC forums, so clearly, they DO know better.

This doesn't mean you should necessarily care (this is, after all, the internet, and really, who cares if everyone on the WotC forums thinks you're some forum full of trolls?) but you know.

I didn't care when you were bitch whinging, and I didn't post when you were bitch whinging. I do care now that you are trying to get all chummy and nice without apologizing or even admitting fault with your stupid ass trolling our forum for no fucking reason.

If you want to be a bitch, be a bitch, but if start trying to insert yourself here, and pretend that you did nothing stupid, I'll fucking call you out on your stupidity.

People from WotC don't know better than to come here, because if they knew better, they'd come here. No we don't want your stupid shills, but we have nothing against intelligent people who want to have intelligent conversations. Anyone who knows better than to come here either doesn't know better, or is a shill.

[MGuy]

Does it matter if he apologizes? Whatever his first intentions/words were when he first got here I think it can all be buried in the forums just by not posting in this topic. He may have come here actually thinking negative things about the board and now he sees that its not so bad so he's trying to fit in. Can't we all just forget about this whole thing then?

[Titanium Dragon]

I wouldn't say trolling as so much as pointless. Because a) we don't know who smitezilla is [until recently]. b)we don't control anybody here and they will do what they want regardless of what we say. c) Did you report said pm to the WOTC board ORCs? Since it happen on those boards you should handle it there.

You still need to clean your own fucking house. All the more so since really the stuff you are complaining about is gone while the 4E attack dogs with learning disorders team is still defying justice.

I'm going to put these two quotes next to each other and hope you put them together.

I'm well aware there are morons on the WotC boards. Indeed, I know that better than most, because I have my own personal hate brigade. There's not really a whole lot you can do but report their posts and hope that the twentieth time is the charm.

This is the internet. There are morons on EVERY public board.

Incidentally, most of the "4e attack dogs" are so annoyed because people say the same stupid shit over and over again. When you hear someone whine about how horrible it is that PCs can't do everything monsters can do, or that wizards are no longer stronger than fighters, anything which resembles an argument about either of those is likely to set you off into "This guy is either a total moron or a troll; because we are not allowed to say someone is a troll on the WotC boards, we therefore must treat them like a moron."

Its fine not to like 4th edition. But when you whine about something which was an improvement, you're the same as the guys who whined about the elimination of ThAC0 back when 3rd edition came out, and after having ten arguments or so with such people, you end up starting the conversation from "Learn about game design, then come back to us" and it goes downhill from there. Its a bit unfair, but really, its pretty safe to assume someone has made your "point" previously.

Moerover, its very stupid to go onto the boards for the game in order to whine about how the previous version of the game was better. People do this all the time, and it is moronic. There are appropriate and inappropriate ways to complain about such things, and disrupting other forums is not one of them.

This is not to say that 4th edition is flawless; I of all people know that it is imperfect. The purpose is for you to understand that these "4e attack dogs" have reasons for their actions, and they aren't even invalid ones - I'm quite short with most people who come on the forums whining about 4th edition being worse than 3.x because I am simply tired of telling them the same thing for the upteenth time when they could use the search function and read about it.

The reason you don't see people from here that aren't asshats is because you don't come here. It's like saying all americans are asshole tourists because you've only seen asshole tourists in your country and have never gone to America because of it, where you would meet people that aren't asshole tourists.

Uh, yeah, that was meant to be the subtext of that comment. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Also, having originally been a WotC forum goer and having transferred here myself, I have to say, apparently you guys DON'T know better. For all the assholery and dickery that lives here, it's actually a better forum, in all the time I've been here, vrs all the time I spent at Wizards, I've found this a much better, nicer, more valuable, and more intelligent place. When I needed real feedback on something, I'd post here, not Wizards, because the people at wizards wouldn't know critique or balance if it came up and bit them on the fucking ass and introduced itself.

Oh come now, most people don't know critique or balance, including here. Very few people understand such things. They are complicated, have various intricacies, and involve investing some time into learning about stuff.

I'm an engineer, so I understand design crap. Most people aren't, and really, you shouldn't need to have to understand balance to play D&D. You do need to understand it if you are going to discuss it or make up rules, though, because if you don't you'll probably just make things worse.

Some would argue I'm a bit overzealous, of course, which is fine, and it is perfectly fine to disagree with me about why X, Y, or Z is overpowered or fine. I'm not perfect, obviously, and discussion about these things is how you can learn more about this stuff, and see things from other people's points of view.

The last is an important skill, and one most people really don't have down. But its the best way to understand where they are coming from.

Does it matter if he apologizes? Whatever his first intentions/words were when he first got here I think it can all be buried in the forums just by not posting in this topic. He may have come here actually thinking negative things about the board and now he sees that its not so bad so he's trying to fit in. Can't we all just forget about this whole thing then?

Its fine to call someone out on being a hypocrite, MGuy. Though this is more inconsistant behavior than hypocrisy.

I didn't care when you were bitch whinging, and I didn't post when you were bitch whinging. I do care now that you are trying to get all chummy and nice without apologizing or even admitting fault with your stupid ass trolling our forum for no fucking reason.

When people treat you with civility in response to a potentially inflammatory post, you are likely to behave in a more civil manner in return.

But an apology which only comes because someone screams at you "YOU NEED TO APOLOGIZE!" isn't much of an apology. I think the correct way to apologize isn't to say "I'm sorry" but rather to change the offending behavior.

I'm sorry you are oh so offended by the fact that I'm behaving in a civilized manner. Are you angry because this didn't turn into a trollfest? Because that's really what it sounds like to me.

And I'm not really sorry I made the post. I mean, I probably should have made it more polite than I did, and I'm sorry I offended some people with my negative tone. I'm not sorry I offended you by making an inflammatory first post then replying to the responses in a largely civil manner.

If you want to be a bitch, be a bitch, but if start trying to insert yourself here, and pretend that you did nothing stupid, I'll fucking call you out on your stupidity.

Because, clearly, the best way to get someone to apologize for their behavior is to call them stupid. While this sometimes works, usually it makes them want to apologize all the less, and you're far less likely to get a sincire apology out of them.

People from WotC don't know better than to come here, because if they knew better, they'd come here. No we don't want your stupid shills, but we have nothing against intelligent people who want to have intelligent conversations. Anyone who knows better than to come here either doesn't know better, or is a shill.

Except not really. Let's say I think Bethesda is a crappy company (I do). However, going to their forums is utterly worthless because frankly, they don't care what I think and all I'll do is start a flame war (or, more likely, have my thread deleted by a moderator there). It doesn't matter if I'm right, it isn't likely to be productive.

[Heath Robinson]

There appears to be some circumstantial evidence in favour of "Smitezilla" being Psychic Robot. I will quote the relevant post.

Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

Unfortunately, Psychic Robot is no longer a frequenter of this forum, and has made a Ragequit post to that effect. It is unfortunate that TD's visitation to TGD appears unfruitful.

[Caedrus]

Titanium Dragon, you need a reality check.

Oh come now, most people don't know critique or balance, including here. Very few people understand such things. They are complicated, have various intricacies, and involve investing some time into learning about stuff.

I'm an engineer, so I understand design crap. Most people aren't, and really, you shouldn't need to have to understand balance to play D&D. You do need to understand it if you are going to discuss it or make up rules, though, because if you don't you'll probably just make things worse.

I'm going to put your quote and another together, just as you did in your last post.

I'm going to put these two quotes next to each other and hope you put them together.

I'm an engineer, so I understand design crap.

Blowhard feels the need to present his credentials before entering the fray - even if they are irrelevant to the discussion. For example, in a movie forum conflict he might attempt to settle the matter by saying, "As a Ph. D. candidate in particle physics I believe I can say with some authority that the 'Beavis and Butthead' movie represents the emergence of a new cultural paradigm." Huh?

http://flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/blowhard.htm

And yes, being an engineer is completely irrelevant. It's like if I said "Most of you people don't understand biology. I'm a computer scientist, so I understand biology crap." Congratulations, you are a blowhard.

I'm sorry you are oh so offended by the fact that I'm behaving in a civilized manner.

While I can't answer for the person you're talking to... Don't flatter yourself. Seriously, nothing you have done thus far is indicative of civility. In fact, announcing yourself as the self-proclaimed most civilized person in the room is usually not recognized as an entirely civil thing to do in modern culture. It went out of style around the same time colonialism did.

Are you angry because this didn't turn into a trollfest?

You don't seem to realize that you are, in fact, a troll. If you go onto another forum making a post holding an entire community accountable for some mystery man who claims to have posted here who offended your precious feelings in a private dispute, and level inflammatory criticism at a community from a position of self-admitted ignorance, hoping for a response out of that community to address your personal dispute on another forum, then you are in fact a troll. You may not have meant to be a troll or anything like that, but that doesn't change the fact that the action that you are taking is known as "trolling." You've also got baiting and flaming in there.

Now I don't actually care if you apologize or not. You are free to be an asshat and believe that your engineering skills makes you the next Sid Meier and that trolling and hypocrisy is oh-so-civil and whatever else you want. You really are. But if you actually are interested in getting along with us, you might want to take an honest look at your own actions and make a concerted effort to actually, you know, not be an asshat. And perhaps the most important part of not being an asshat is taking responsibility for your own actions.

So that's my honest advice for you. Take it or leave it. You can say what you want about others, but I am certainly not shouting at you or trying to forcibly coerce you to do anything that you are complaining that others are doing to you. I'm just calling it like I see it.

And if you don't want people to call it like they see it, this is not the forum for you. If you do something stupid, there's a strong chance that people here will call you out on it.

[Kaelik]

Except not really. Let's say I think Bethesda is a crappy company (I do). However, going to their forums is utterly worthless because frankly, they don't care what I think and all I'll do is start a flame war (or, more likely, have my thread deleted by a moderator there). It doesn't matter if I'm right, it isn't likely to be productive.

WTF does that have to do with anything?

When you say, "We people at WotC know better than to come to this board!" You are saying, we are smart enough to know that this place is garbage and nothing said here matters.

That's exactly what you are saying, and it's exactly what I am telling you is fucking wrong.

I am telling you that shit that happens here is actually very fucking awesome, and that the only reason someone should "know better than to come here" in which "know" is an accurate description, is if they know that they are too stupid to contribute.

Because smart people who want to have actual conversations are welcome here, except by Roy, who hates everyone.

EDIT: And like Caedrus pointed out, if people pointing out you did something wrong makes you less likely to admit you are wrong, bam, I know you are an asshole who I hate, and I got something useful out of this.

If you actually said, "Oh shit, I was totally wrong to troll you guys." I would then know you at the very least aren't as bad as Roy, and might be worth talking to about something that matters.

By the way, I'm an engineer too. Specifically, I design bridges, so therefore I know more about designing games than people who actually do it too, just like you.

Seriously, fucking get off your high horse, you don't know how to design everything because you are an engineer.

[PhoneLobster]

Its fine not to like 4th edition. But when you whine about something which was an improvement,

Then maybe you really should pop into my humble opinion and explain that rather remarkable claim.

I have NEVER seen an intelligent defense of 4E, only insults and Oberoni shit so when you say "4E fans are rightly impatient with criticism" I just see an apologist for idiots and dick heads who in turn are attacking criticism because they lack any actual arguments to back their position.

The purpose is for you to understand that these "4e attack dogs" have reasons for their actions,

I have followed enough of WOTC to know that no, they fucking don't you stupid twat.

They have been like that from day minus fucking one. You are both and idiot and an asshole for suggesting otherwise.

[Leress]

You quoted me, TD, but everything you said in your post doesn't have anything to do with me. I've never posted on WOTC 4e boards since I stop caring about 4e a long time ago.

Seriously what was the point of quoting me? All you doing is telling me that you making this thread was pretty pointless.

[Kaelik]

he was just explaining that all our arguments against 4e are invalid because someone else on another forum said something about how Wizards should be more powerful than fighters.

Apparently he feels that this means we cannot call 4e bad, or terrible, or worse than 3.5, because...

Because he's ignorant of our arguments (or he has seen them, but they are good and thus not easily deflated like some poster on WotC), therefore our arguments are necessarily terrible. And I use that in a formal logic since, because he appears to be under the retarded impression that 4e is necessarily good, and so whatever we do have to say doesn't matter.

[Koumei]

This is getting boring, somebody hit somebody else with a chair. Now.

[Leress]

This is getting boring, somebody hit somebody else with a chair. Now.

How's that.

[Prak]

This is getting boring, somebody hit somebody else with a chair. Now.

How's that.

*laugh* perfect.

You just gave me a horrible idea for the next time I decide to take the piss out of sycophants online...

[Caedrus]

This is getting boring, somebody hit somebody else with a chair. Now.

How's that.

I <3 Transmetropolitan. Spider Jerusalem is a true hero.

[Prak]

the truest.

I believe the "Jerk with a heart of gold" and "magnificent bastard" tropes were created specifically by him, retroactively.

[PhoneLobster]

This is getting boring, somebody hit somebody else with a chair. Now.

I don't like the whole "Irrelevent spam attack!" direction this is going in.

But this is rather too good a chance to pass up.

[Caedrus]

This is getting boring, somebody hit somebody else with a chair. Now.

I don't like the whole "Irrelevent spam attack!" direction this is going in.

But this is rather too good a chance to pass up.

That was great. "Oh my god a chair!" "I'm mad!"

[Roy]

It sounds a bit like Roy, back when Roy was being more of a dick than he is usually.

BUT, it might be some jerkass who was intentionally trolling here...

What were the nature of the malicious links?

First, fuck you and suck a barrel of cocks. No smiley.

Second, I haven't been on those forums in months, so it's not me.

Third, Iron Mongrel came from Myth Weavers. Not Paizo. He claims his reasoning was because some 4.Fail thread here offended him. Yeah right.

Also, it's funny how the people whining and flailing about me are the same ones that end up getting smited for being an imbecile.

Stop being an idiot.

[Crissa]

Which is odd, 'cause not many people play 4ed on M-W. So it's hard to remember he's from there.

-Crissa

[Koumei]

Also, it's funny how the people whining and flailing about me are the same ones that end up getting smited for being an imbecile.

Wait, what?

Most people who complain about you just think you're annoying in regards to over-use of the words smite and fail, and your love of trolling other forums and bragging about it over here. I'm pretty sure you're the only person here who thinks you've done any great smiting of anyone on the Den.