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PhoneLobster wrote:This dumb kid CAN seriously go buy herbicides and pesticides that will KILL PEOPLE. And not even indirectly in some vague future dooms day scenario but rather through immediate and direct application. And in really, REALLY hideous painful and drawn out incurable ways.
Looking at the opinions Koumei somewhat frequently posts, that's not the kind of thing you should say, idiot. The only thing saving what is likely a large number of people is her laziness.
Or the impacts if she goes and does her pesticides thing like she wants to and kills say, every single fish in the local water cachment overnight. You know the bee thing? Yeah. It sucks that all the other continents are losing their bees, because of morons like you enjoy your world without any honey and with mass flowering plant extinctions, dumb ass.
Ok, yeah, it adds up, sure. speaking as someone who was frightened of bees when he was a toddler, they can fuck right the hell off of any property I'm on. I don't necessarily want them dead, just not near me.

Koumei, if you go to a hardware store, you should probably be able to find something that will keep bees away from your house without killing them. Failing that, you should be able to find traps that kill individual bees without devastating a hive. They should be relatively inexpensive.
These things happen. They are real you are a fundamentally bad individual who should be imprisoned if you actively encourage them.
I'll add it to the list.

I don't encourage ecosystem destruction, but Koumei asked for something she could do to follow her mother's whims with as little work as possible, yeah, she's "childish" for being lazy. As someone in about the same boat, don't care. Though really salting the earth seems like it'd take too much effort.

Koumei, assuming you have a reasonable way of controlling it, you could conceivably burn the current vegetation and reseed with one of those "only grows yea-high" grasses, this shouldn't take a lot of effort on your part.
Just make sure the fire can be controlled.
If you own or control land use you have a responsibility to NOT abuse that land. A responsibility to the entirety of society.
then be less of a douchebag when educating people.
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Prak_Anima wrote:As someone in about the same boat, don't care.
Look I KNOW you are a loopy 'satanist' and screwing everything up for everyone else for your personal whim of the moment is some sort of moronic religious experience for you.

Hell its hard NOT to know with your incessant "well personally as a satanist..." moments. (Hint, imagine someone kept saying "well personally as a christian..." as often as you say that sort of shit, would they sound stupid to you? Now imagine how you sound.).

But THE REST OF US are grown adults who do NOT encourage murder, environmental vandalism and accidental poisonings.

OR arson...
Koumei, assuming you have a reasonable way of controlling it, you could conceivably burn the current vegetation and reseed with one of those "only grows yea-high" grasses, this shouldn't take a lot of effort on your part.
Just make sure the fire can be controlled.
Burning a backyard full of weeds is a stupid, stupid idea.

That is rich and useful material and turning it to ash really won't particularly help it.

Not to mention it is dangerous.

Not to mention there is no such thing as a magical grass seed that will never ever require any maintenance, especially when your only plan is to fling raw seed stock at a recently burnt out god knows how degraded patch of god knows what kind of soil in god knows what sort of situation.

You can't just throw seeds at a major gardening problem and expect it to just come out trumps.

Lawn installation, care and maintenance is its own entire branch of horticulture. Even fucking astroturf is harder to maintain than your magical slash and burn fairy grass seed plan.
Koumei, if you go to a hardware store, you should probably be able to find something that will keep bees away from your house without killing them.
No. You can't. There is no magical "fuck of bees" silent electronic dog whistle, and if there IS I really think it is not a good idea to run it anywhere near where you live because it would be one damn scary piece of technology.

If she wants bees to just go away, stop growing flowers.
Failing that, you should be able to find traps that kill individual bees without devastating a hive. They should be relatively inexpensive.
No. Bad.

Yeah you COULD build a bee trap, it could even be non toxic in nature.

But you forgot. She's in Australia, a nation with numerous varieties of endangered solitary native bee species.

If she is attracting bees with rose flowers only to murder them heartlessly for the crime of foraging for food she is putting at risk any remaining native bee populations in her entire area.

Not to mention she could kill every bee that turns up and it STILL won't stop more from coming if she keeps leaving bee food lying around everywhere.

And also not to mention she will be going around cock blocking all her rose plants, and that's just plant cruelty.
Looking at the opinions Koumei somewhat frequently posts, that's not the kind of thing you should say, idiot.
What? Better she should buy the biggest bottle of the most potent thing some ignorant hardware clerk has in stock, pour it undiluted all over the ground and herself. Kill off gardens, wild animals and pets for miles, and then slowly die of some sort of horrible nerve death disorder.

Because you know, better to risk that than risk her entirely serious plans of maniacal mass murder and world domination being somehow furthered by the knowledge that she can buy dangerous poisons.
then be less of a douchebag when educating people.
Some things do not call for gentle empathy. Some things call for a firm punch in the face. Salting the earth in Australia (in particular, but really its evil everywhere) in any way shape or form is a fundamentally bad thing.

When someone comes on asking for advice on how to KILL a good quarter acre of land then they will NOT be getting gentle social acceptance and happy feelings from me.

Asking for that is SO fundamentally bad as a human being that just being nice to such a person when they behave that way is in itself being a fundamentally bad human. Like you are being.
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I'm pretty sure salting the earth and large scale poison are illegal. Mostly on the grounds that PL is right and society decided being a douche on your land wasn't cool.
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Prak_Anima wrote:As someone in about the same boat, don't care.
Look I KNOW you are a loopy 'satanist' and screwing everything up for everyone else for your personal whim of the moment is some sort of moronic religious experience for you.
no, it's not.
Hell its hard NOT to know with your incessant "well personally as a satanist..." moments. (Hint, imagine someone kept saying "well personally as a christian..." as often as you say that sort of shit, would they sound stupid to you? Now imagine how you sound.).
if they did it as much as I did, they'd actually be less annoying. Granted, it's come up recently, granted I'm obnoxious about it in that I bring it up at all, I still bring it up less than a similar christian would.
But THE REST OF US are grown adults who do NOT encourage murder, environmental vandalism and accidental poisonings.
Wow, so there's actually something we have in common. I don't encourage murder, environmental vandalism or accidental poisoning. Murder gets you locked up, this is bad. Environmental vandalism is, as you've pointed out, a bad thing. Thing is, I don't know the uniquely fragile state of your country, and I was not the first person to suggest salting the earth, maybe you should bitch at someone else, ok? And fuck, if you're going to poison someone, make it fucking deliberate.
OR arson...
technically I'm not encouraging arson
Koumei, assuming you have a reasonable way of controlling it, you could conceivably burn the current vegetation and reseed with one of those "only grows yea-high" grasses, this shouldn't take a lot of effort on your part.
Just make sure the fire can be controlled.
Burning a backyard full of weeds is a stupid, stupid idea.

That is rich and useful material and turning it to ash really won't particularly help it.
I take it you're talking about compost? You know, if you're so damned concerned, why don't you go fucking do it? Fuck, if it's so valuable, maybe you can buy it off of Koumei.
Not to mention it is dangerous.
no shit.
Not to mention there is no such thing as a magical grass seed that will never ever require any maintenance, especially when your only plan is to fling raw seed stock at a recently burnt out god knows how degraded patch of god knows what kind of soil in god knows what sort of situation.
First, someone mentioned types of grass that grow to only a certain height. I'm not a god damned botanist or fucking horticulturist. My interest in biology is pretty much limited to things that fucking move. I'm restating an earlier idea.
Second, did I say "just throw the seed on the ground, it'll be fine!" No, no I fucking didn't. Don't put words or idiocy in my mouth.
You can't just throw seeds at a major gardening problem and expect it to just come out trumps.
then fucking tell us, oh knowledgeable one! How does one re-fucking sod?
Lawn installation, care and maintenance is its own entire branch of horticulture. Even fucking astroturf is harder to maintain than your magical slash and burn fairy grass seed plan.
Yeah, because someone who's been told "just make sure the grass doesn't get above *here*" really wants to learn that shit. And fuck astroturf.
Failing that, you should be able to find traps that kill individual bees without devastating a hive. They should be relatively inexpensive.
No. Bad.

Yeah you COULD build a bee trap, it could even be non toxic in nature.

But you forgot. She's in Australia, a nation with numerous varieties of endangered solitary native bee species.
What about getting a Mantis egg sack? I have no clue whether there's a species of mantis indigenous to Australia (though I imagine such a bug would be the size of a toy poodle...). Granted, I know that such things are largely bullshit due to the mantis instincts of "eat other bugs" and "move away from where I hatched." But, it'd do something. Something natural even.
then be less of a douchebag when educating people.
Some things do not call for gentle empathy. Some things call for a firm punch in the face. Salting the earth in Australia (in particular, but really its evil everywhere) in any way shape or form is a fundamentally bad thing.

When someone comes on asking for advice on how to KILL a good quarter acre of land then they will NOT be getting gentle social acceptance and happy feelings from me.
Then what the fuck should she do? She's stated the situation perfectly clearly. All you've done is call people idiots for giving her the simple solution. People who don't, by the way, live in Australia, and have no real reason to know all the fucking ins and outs of your ecosystem of death.
Asking for that is SO fundamentally bad as a human being that just being nice to such a person when they behave that way is in itself being a fundamentally bad human. Like you are being.
and what about shouting down suggestions made to that person in such a way that no one is likely to listen to you? You seem to be the person who knows what needs to be known, I'd imagine the punch in the face method, which makes one less likely to listen to you, is a particularly BAD method when YOU'RE the educated one in the subject.
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Well seeing as it's so important that PL is going to come here and do my gardening, look's like it's not a big dea.

Oh, and I don't lure bees here. I don't have roses, they're just the only thing aside from poppies I'd want to grow if I was to care about gardening. And in that case I wouldn't be wanting to raze the yard.

But any plan that involves bees not going near my house in the first place is excellent, and any ones currently here dying won't make me lose any sleep.

I also would have, you know, read up on the methods of salting the earth, and would have checked for the effects upon neighbouring land, because I don't feel that my property rights extend into other people's yards.

tl;dr fuck you.

Shadzar: it's not actually illegl to grow poppies and harvest the opium in Australia. It's illegal to then sell the opium, or to synthesise it into a narcoric, but if you just harvest it and, say, use that in your tea, or even just chop up the stems and seed pods and mix that in your tea, there's no legal problems. I imagine America is tougher on it, and states that even knowing what the plant looks like is a jailable offence.
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Koumei wrote:Shadzar: it's not actually illegl to grow poppies and harvest the opium in Australia. It's illegal to then sell the opium, or to synthesise it into a narcoric, but if you just harvest it and, say, use that in your tea, or even just chop up the stems and seed pods and mix that in your tea, there's no legal problems. I imagine America is tougher on it, and states that even knowing what the plant looks like is a jailable offence.
Funny thing is, the Poppy is the State flower of California.
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Awesome.

Anyway, I'd just like to point out I just woke up. At 7PM. Because carrying some plant matter and dragging some branches for less than an hour meant I was so exhausted I needed to sleep at 2PM. And by back hurts again, and as mentioned, my arms are covered in painful, itching welts. Having this happen on a weekly basis is out of the question. Why the fuck the British thought this country was worth inhabiting I'll never know.
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Koumei wrote:Awesome.

Anyway, I'd just like to point out I just woke up. At 7PM. Because carrying some plant matter and dragging some branches for less than an hour meant I was so exhausted I needed to sleep at 2PM.
Less than an hour of hauling made you tired enough to sleep in the middle of the day? There is something wrong, try getting more nuitrition and at least some form of exercise, I'd wager.
And by back hurts again, and as mentioned, my arms are covered in painful, itching welts. Having this happen on a weekly basis is out of the question. Why the fuck the British thought this country was worth inhabiting I'll never know.
Well, ideally, mowing every couple weeks should be a shit ton less unpleasant. Hell, assuming a good mower, it'll be easier than any other method suggested.

And the way I understood it, Britain didn't consider it habitable, they shipped their criminals there, presumably to die to the lethal flora and fauna.
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Prak_Anima wrote:I'm not a god damned botanist or fucking horticulturist.
And oddly enough I am.

You however are an idiot advocating bad ideas in both gardening and basic social morality.

And do you REALLY want to know how to create a rich lush lawn? It's probably at least a three year fucking course at your local community technical college or equivalent.

Not being a specialist in the field and being generally against lawns as a high maintenance low reward and environmentally unsound gardening option I can only tell you so much.

But I can tell you enough to make you go "BORING, can't we just KILL SOMETHING! WITH CHEMICALS OR FIRE, LULZ!"
Yeah, because someone who's been told "just make sure the grass doesn't get above *here*" really wants to learn that shit.
And if you don't at least consult an expert in that shit there is a good chance you will have a large patch of dirt, ash, more weeds and some scarce pieces of grass at the end of your plan.

And NO lawn expert (or none worth a damn) is going to tell you what you need to do without finding out about the local microclimate in the backyard and some idea of the soil quality and profile.

Short story. Grass variety must be selected for the available sun and temperatures. Top soil will probably need improving, ideally with mulch, manure, and either sand or clay additives depending on what sort of soil is already there. If you are basically on top of building scrap from the house (like many suburban yards) then you will be in for a lot more than that and may even need to remove existing "soil" in large quantities.

To properly prepare the soil for a really nice lawn you could spend about a year messing with the soil before even laying turf or sewing seeds.

Once the seeds are sown or turf is laid you will need to perform some careful and regular maintenance for a while, months easily. Certainly a lot of watering at least, and hope that you don't get too badly dried or washed out by the weather in that period.

IF the lawn gets established you may well face, numerous, complications that will require all kinds of work up to and including scrapping the lot and starting again.

Lawns are not low maintenance even if you already have one. Actually establishing a good one is not an easy thing, especially in a degraded weed infested situation where all other factors are unknown and put deeply into questionable territory by the context.
What about getting a Mantis egg sack? ... But, it'd do something. Something natural even.
Well it wouldn't do much as I'm pretty sure mantis's do not primarily eat bees.

Indeed those few approved and commercially available predatory bugs purchasable in Australia are not actually targeted to eat bees, since everyone who is sane doesn't have a problem with bees.

If you want to have something that eats bees you probably need a Bee Eater. Thats a bird. They eat bees by the hundreds. But, that still wont stop bees from turning up. And indeed odds are good that in the given situation a Bee Eater would just starve to death because there are nowhere near enough bees around in the first place.

I mean you'd basically have to get a bee hive just to feed your damn Bee Eater.

Anyway. Biological control of "pests" is certainly NOT automatically good for the environment we here in Australia have a thing called the Cane Toad, it's a good reminder of this simple fact.

And regardless of the safety of the methodology the FIRST step in pest control is to make an actual sane judgment as to whether it is required. And you do NOT need to control bees in any sort of normal backyard environment. ITS A STUPID IDEA.

You don't want bees, you don't plant flowers. Especially certain sorts of flowers. You might get away with a limited range of flowers that bees don't especially like, but almost no one keeps track of that (since no one normally cares if bees don't like certain flowers). I could suggest some flowers that are preferred primarily by flies instead? But they wouldn't be suitable for the garden or gardener anyway. And they smell really bad.

Also. Don't paint things with honey, or leave anything sweet lying around. Or have water of any kind available just in case yours is the only watering hole in the entire bee territory. Then don't have a lawn, or weeds, or plant (or even animal) life of any kind.

You should probably also stop breathing and bury yourself in a air tight plastic coffin beneath three meters of concrete. That MIGHT keep the bees out.
Then what the fuck should she do? She's stated the situation perfectly clearly. All you've done is call people idiots for giving her the simple solution.
Really? I though I gave actual gardening advice and called YOU an idiot for telling her to burn down her yard and by a likely not coincidental chain of events possibly her house, suburb or state, remember, again, Australia, highly flammable.
People who don't, by the way, live in Australia, and have no real reason to know all the fucking ins and outs of your ecosystem of death.
It's not much different from yours. Find a good horticulturist or even avid gardener and they will tell you VERY similar things about your area.

Nature is everywhere and pouring chemicals on it and setting it on fire is generally a bad idea where-ever you find it.
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While I think PL is acting a bit over-the-top I agree with him in general. Burning your yard seems mildly dangerous, salting the earth may well be illegal (and if not it should be) and dousing the entire area in poison is even worse.
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I have just the thing for keeping the lawn in check...
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If someone can't handle the effort and responsibility of raising a small drought tolerant shrub what on earth makes you think they can raise a goat.

A goat, especially in such a small confined space, is a lot more work than a garden.

And it will break into your house and eat your underwear.

Something gardens generally refrain from doing.
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Murtak wrote:While I think PL is acting a bit over-the-top I agree with him in general. Burning your yard seems mildly dangerous, salting the earth may well be illegal (and if not it should be) and dousing the entire area in poison is even worse.
Er, yeah. Koumei, make sure you're in compliance with all applicable laws about this sort of thing.

Also, I'm not sure about precipitation at your end of the planet. A quick check on Google tells me, "South Australia? Probably low." That would make me a touch leery about salting the earth, since my source for the idea said that with our rainfall and soil type, the salt would hang around for a while then go on on its way to either be replaced or not according to what you're feeling like.

So, huh. I'd dispose of whatever's causing the problem, whether manually or with some motorized assistance and lay down the sunlight-and-therefore-growth-blocking layer that PL mentioned. I'd still be tempted to put in a rock garden, though, as something that's low-maintenance (rake it every now and then to keep it looking neat). If you wanted to go for pretty after that, go for some flower boxes which would be smaller and less time intensive to make look nice, as opposed to a lawn.
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Yeah, I wasn't going to go as far as setting it on fire. Because this is Australia, and "a small controlled burn" could take out half the state. A larger, uncontrolled burn conducted by someone with no formal training could burn most of the country down and most likely carries a life sentence (IIRC arson was re-classified to terrorism).

And though my nutrition could be better, especially at those times where I run out of money and food is the first to be sacrificed for a few days before my pay goes through, I get plenty of exercise, just not lifting, nothing that's likely to make my back any worse, and no contact with the many many things that cause rashes, welts and general unpleasantness, ranging from bugs to vermin to cats to many plants. Simply put, a few years ago, when I broke down, my immune system bombed out and I've been left pretty much weakened and physically useless.

But my sister agreed she'd take care of the yard, seeing as I handle the cleaning, and she doesn't react to the plant life and isn't phobic of bees. So everyone gets a happy ending.
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Koumei wrote:Awesome.
and as mentioned, my arms are covered in painful, itching welts. Having this happen on a weekly basis is out of the question.
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Koumei wrote:Awesome.
and as mentioned, my arms are covered in painful, itching welts. Having this happen on a weekly basis is out of the question.
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Insects, snakes, spiders, marsupials and well heck the entire animal kingdom, I will grant you is nastier on your continent than in my neck of the woods- where we have all of 2 poisonous snakes and zero confirmed actually dangeously venomous spiders in the state since we killed everything we didn't like (and much of what we did) with a century of pollution and a continuing tradition of shockingly poor environmental enforcement

But having an actual garden that contains both poison ivy and deadly nightshade both within inches of my tomatoes and carrots, I seriously challenge your implication of nastier plants. Seriously, I want to know what you have that's potentially worse than Giant Hogweed?
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Our country has trees that can sting you to death. The poison causes severe pain without damage, but can still kill you.

My yard had... plants that seem to cause allergic reactions just by being near them, let alone actually touching them. That part is probably due to my body failing, but the above one is another case of our environment wanting to one-up every other country in the world.
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Koumei wrote:Our country has trees that can sting you to death. The poison causes severe pain without damage, but can still kill you.

My yard had... plants that seem to cause allergic reactions just by being near them, let alone actually touching them. That part is probably due to my body failing, but the above one is another case of our environment wanting to one-up every other country in the world.
Again, Britain deemed your country a good place for a prison colony, there was likely a reason for this.

I see the fact that civilization sprung up there in spite of the landscape's homicidal desires to denote a certain amount of badassness in the australian people in general...
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Prak_Anima wrote: Again, Britain deemed your country a good place for a prison colony, there was likely a reason for this.

I see the fact that civilization sprung up there in spite of the landscape's homicidal desires to denote a certain amount of badassness in the australian people in general...
I've probably put this up before, but...

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Koumei wrote:Our country has trees that can sting you to death. The poison causes severe pain without damage, but can still kill you.
That's like on the opposite side of the continent from where you live. I doubt you even know what one looks like.
My yard had... plants that seem to cause allergic reactions just by being near them, let alone actually touching them.
It's almost certainly not you being 'special' with your questionably obsessive illness.

Allergic reactions in the garden are normal and incredibly common.

Most real gardeners experience them and as a person regularly in contact with various low threat algae I for one make sure I always have a stock of telfast or zirtec around so I don't end up scratching myself bleeding one or twice a month in summer.

Indeed many people will display varying degrees of allergy symptoms, just from mowing the lawn.

Hell I SUSPECT that the complaints you are making are actually a hysterical psychological over reaction to normal effect of mere fine hairy plant spines you should have avoided with long sleeve clothing, gloves and a prompt shower and clothes wash immediately after work.
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Prak_Anima wrote:
Koumei wrote:Shadzar: it's not actually illegl to grow poppies and harvest the opium in Australia. It's illegal to then sell the opium, or to synthesise it into a narcoric, but if you just harvest it and, say, use that in your tea, or even just chop up the stems and seed pods and mix that in your tea, there's no legal problems. I imagine America is tougher on it, and states that even knowing what the plant looks like is a jailable offence.
Funny thing is, the Poppy is the State flower of California.
After the past few days I thought the state flower (bud) of California was changed to pot?

Which damn drug are those people more in favor of anyway? WAIT! That explains all the bad movies coming out of Hollywood in the past 3 decades!

Where in the hell does the US get its opium-based medicines form, and poppy seeds for beagles, since I have never seen a single poppy farm in Google Earth in the US. :confused:
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shadzar wrote: Where in the hell does the US get its opium-based medicines form,
Same place nearly everyone else does: Afghanistan. Though I hear Australia has been doing opium production too, and the native animals have been eating the poppies and getting high as a fucking kite as a result. Which is awesome.
and poppy seeds for beagles
I didn't know beagles needed poppy seeds. How about other breeds of dog?
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You think Snoopy acts that way without some kind of drugs? ;)
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