Is Pippin a Bard?

[Jack_Lurch]

I accept that Samwise is a paladin, and probably Frodo too, as he needs the Charisma bonus to his Will Save, but what about the other hobbits?

A friend that I saw it woth last night says Pippin is a bard?! I say he's a crappy one of he wasn't able to sway Faromir's father that he was being an idiot while singing to him, but he insists that Pippin does other Bardish things.

Of course, when we left the theatre it was 20 am, so the discussion was put on hold, but I'm curious what you guys think?

-Jack

[Username17]

Pippin is a Rogue. He has enough Bluff skill to persuade Treebeard to do declare war on Saruman when diplomatic channels had failed, and he needs to be flanking with Gandalf in order to kill Orcish Warriors with one hit.

He has a lot of climb and enough sneak to set fires right next to guards without being noticed. He has escape artist, and enough Use Magic Device to get useful information out of a Palantir without giving Sauron any information, and enough Search skill to find it in the first place.

Pippin is totally a Rogue. Merry is probably a Fighter. Sam is, indeed, totally a paladin (and a pretty hard core one at that).

-Username17

[Tae_Kwon_Dan]

Actually I would rule that he attacked from surpise by hiding behind the much larger Gandalf to kill an Orc in one blow. Doesn't change the fact the he is a Rogue.

I always thought that was sort of the point. He's sneaky (Dex), Quick Witted (Int), but a damn fool of a Took (Wis). That's classic rogue.

[Jack_Lurch]

Sam is, indeed, totally a paladin (and a pretty hard core one at that).

He smites evil and has a good will save. How does that make him "hard core"?

And would you agree that Frodo is a paladin also?

-Jack

[Count Arioch the 28th]

I would say that after seeing RotK, regardless of what D&D class fits Sam the best, Sam is hardcore.

[Maj]

I totally agree with the Count - Sam is hardcore!

And I totally agree with Frank - Pippin is definitely a rogue. Just because someone sings doesn't mean they're a bard. It just means they sing.

And since rogues get Perform in class, it wouldn't really surprise me if Pippin had a rank or two in Perform: Singing.

[Psifon]

Actually, I think Frodo is an Aristorcrat. He comes from a "good family" in the sire, he is educated, has a good will save, but really has no combat abilities to speak of. Sam is his loyal servant. He knows how to use a blade, but it is something that he avoids at all costs. He also has the Iron Will feat, and a high wisdom score.

All that says Aristocrat all around.

[Username17]

Although Frodo has the Improved Bullrush feat.

-Username17

[Josh_Kablack]

Bah.

Gandalf is not one, but two different Death Slaadi,
Aragorn was an incubus, Frodo is a doppleganger, Elrond is a Kolyarut, Eowyn was a Rakshasa and Shelob's webs are actually Mimics.

And until you can point me towards text from the book that indicates they were hit with Dispel Magic or passed through an Anti-Magic field, I refuse to see why I should believe otherwise.

[Count Arioch the 28th]

That is perhaps, the best thing I've heard in a while. Makes perfect sense, too.

[Ramnza]

I agree, Pipin is a rogue and Samwise just oozes with Paladine-gaging-goodness. So what's Merry, or do we just not care?

[fbmf]

So what's Merry, or do we just not care?

Merry is probably a Fighter.

Game On,
fbmf

[Ramnza]

I'm thinking of when Merry was a fighter. When was Merry a fighter?

[Crissa]

Merry, fighting, battlefield?

He wasn't as good a fighter as Samwise, but that seemed because of stats, possibly xp, more than anything.

-Crissa

[rapanui]

Aghast. That word perfectly describes my reaction to this thread. Then again, I'm a man that says "I rollled a 20 on my cooking check!" when he correctly flips an omelette.

[Crissa]

...So does my spouse.

If only I could get her to run a game or something!

-Crissa